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		<title>By: General Blackjack Pershing</title>
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		<dc:creator>General Blackjack Pershing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Viva la migra!</description>
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		<title>By: PKR Bonus Codes</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm interesting read and discussion. Well i don&#039;t want to comment on any of the comments but just thought to let you know that the article was really goo. Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm interesting read and discussion. Well i don&#8217;t want to comment on any of the comments but just thought to let you know that the article was really goo. Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh... you seem to have left out a relevant factoid about Pershing&#039;s pursuit of Doroteo Arrango in Mexico.  That factoid is the siezure and occupation of Columbus, New Mexico by Villa and his band.  That event set a good example of what happens when we tolerate lawlessness outside our borders: it eventually comes home to us.   

Long live Porfirio Diaz!

As for Mexicans, I saw Miss Mexico on TV a few weeks ago, and based on that I can&#039;t understand why we wouldn&#039;t want more of them here.  We could bring them in under special labor contracts, and create a futures market for trading in such contracts.   If you need a worker, just buy one on the exchange at a price determined by the free market.  Some workers, like Miss Mexico, might fetch a very high price.

I guess that makes me a racist and an anti-feminist pig.  Oy oy oink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh&#8230; you seem to have left out a relevant factoid about Pershing&#8217;s pursuit of Doroteo Arrango in Mexico.  That factoid is the siezure and occupation of Columbus, New Mexico by Villa and his band.  That event set a good example of what happens when we tolerate lawlessness outside our borders: it eventually comes home to us.   </p>
<p>Long live Porfirio Diaz!</p>
<p>As for Mexicans, I saw Miss Mexico on TV a few weeks ago, and based on that I can&#8217;t understand why we wouldn&#8217;t want more of them here.  We could bring them in under special labor contracts, and create a futures market for trading in such contracts.   If you need a worker, just buy one on the exchange at a price determined by the free market.  Some workers, like Miss Mexico, might fetch a very high price.</p>
<p>I guess that makes me a racist and an anti-feminist pig.  Oy oy oink.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s fine to shoot the messenger but the message does possess an element of truth.  I neither like nor dislike Lou Dobbs.  And frankly, he does go overboard.  But by the same token Mexico and illegal immigrants from Mexico pose a huge problem for the United States and in particular California.  

Lambaste all you want against demagogues like Lou Dobbs, but the large number of illegal and large average family size of immigrants from Mexico are creating population levels that are simply unsustainable.  The current population of California is roughly 39 million people.  If current trends continue, our population will be 60 million by 2050.  No magic wand is going to change or mitigate that short of drastic reform.  

So until someone can convince me how more people in this state will improve our healthcare delivery, traffic congestion, workers wages, environment, education, and overall services delivery, I will remain more partial to the rants of Lou Dobbs than to the rants of Robert Miranda.  I mean come on Robert, “. . . seeking out hungry Mexican mothers walking with starving Mexican children seeking a way to make money so that they can feed their babies before the children die of starvation.”  What bullshit!  When is the last time a community in Mexico was on the brink of starvation??  Unless, they are Guatemalans living in Mexico (illegally) or indigenous people who constantly get pummeled by the Mexican Government, I’m just not seeing it.  

The fact is, we are all in this together.  Mexican people and the Mexican government have to address overpopulation, inherent corruption and economic disparity.  No longer can North America serve as a pressure valve to maintain the status quo by encouraging all those who might agitate for change to leave the country.  Trust me, the government of Mexico understands how destabilizing unbridled immigration can be.  As a result they aggressively enforce their immigration laws.  

Moreover, Cesar Chavez led a march from the city of San Fernando to the Mexican border to protest illegal immigration.  He understood all too well the impact illegal immigration was having of wages of farm workers.  In 1986, Chavez was greatly conflicted over the amnesty.  On one hand it was believed it might help swell the ranks of the UFW, on the other hand the increase in the supply of labor could lead to decreased wages and benefits.  Well, it would appear his worst fears have been realized.  

I ask the question, is there any difference between a bunch of rich white guys disobeying law trying to make a buck and a bunch of poor brown guys disobeying the law to make a buck?  This tolerance of corruption eats away at the rule of law and could quite possibly leave us with a system of government that is far more corrupt than the one we live under today.   

In closing, I think it is safe to say that most progressives see themselves as friends of the environment, pro union/living wage, anti corruption, and proponents of the rule of law.  Hence, I feel it is irresponsible if not disingenuous for any progressive to take a blind eye to illegal immigration.  The United States and in particular California have become addicted to a class cheap, exploitable labor.  We must change or pay the full measure of its consequences.  

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Kevin Lynn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s fine to shoot the messenger but the message does possess an element of truth.  I neither like nor dislike Lou Dobbs.  And frankly, he does go overboard.  But by the same token Mexico and illegal immigrants from Mexico pose a huge problem for the United States and in particular California.  </p>
<p>Lambaste all you want against demagogues like Lou Dobbs, but the large number of illegal and large average family size of immigrants from Mexico are creating population levels that are simply unsustainable.  The current population of California is roughly 39 million people.  If current trends continue, our population will be 60 million by 2050.  No magic wand is going to change or mitigate that short of drastic reform.  </p>
<p>So until someone can convince me how more people in this state will improve our healthcare delivery, traffic congestion, workers wages, environment, education, and overall services delivery, I will remain more partial to the rants of Lou Dobbs than to the rants of Robert Miranda.  I mean come on Robert, “. . . seeking out hungry Mexican mothers walking with starving Mexican children seeking a way to make money so that they can feed their babies before the children die of starvation.”  What bullshit!  When is the last time a community in Mexico was on the brink of starvation??  Unless, they are Guatemalans living in Mexico (illegally) or indigenous people who constantly get pummeled by the Mexican Government, I’m just not seeing it.  </p>
<p>The fact is, we are all in this together.  Mexican people and the Mexican government have to address overpopulation, inherent corruption and economic disparity.  No longer can North America serve as a pressure valve to maintain the status quo by encouraging all those who might agitate for change to leave the country.  Trust me, the government of Mexico understands how destabilizing unbridled immigration can be.  As a result they aggressively enforce their immigration laws.  </p>
<p>Moreover, Cesar Chavez led a march from the city of San Fernando to the Mexican border to protest illegal immigration.  He understood all too well the impact illegal immigration was having of wages of farm workers.  In 1986, Chavez was greatly conflicted over the amnesty.  On one hand it was believed it might help swell the ranks of the UFW, on the other hand the increase in the supply of labor could lead to decreased wages and benefits.  Well, it would appear his worst fears have been realized.  </p>
<p>I ask the question, is there any difference between a bunch of rich white guys disobeying law trying to make a buck and a bunch of poor brown guys disobeying the law to make a buck?  This tolerance of corruption eats away at the rule of law and could quite possibly leave us with a system of government that is far more corrupt than the one we live under today.   </p>
<p>In closing, I think it is safe to say that most progressives see themselves as friends of the environment, pro union/living wage, anti corruption, and proponents of the rule of law.  Hence, I feel it is irresponsible if not disingenuous for any progressive to take a blind eye to illegal immigration.  The United States and in particular California have become addicted to a class cheap, exploitable labor.  We must change or pay the full measure of its consequences.  </p>
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Kevin Lynn</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Dobbs - Blame it all on Mexico - Why Not! &#124; Mexico Trucker Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou Dobbs - Blame it all on Mexico - Why Not! &#124; Mexico Trucker Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MGM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MGM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you 100%. People like Lou Dobbs do nothing but spread lies and fear in order to push their racist agenda on the American people. It is truly despicable that CNN lets this xenophobe have his own show. Thank you for writing this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you 100%. People like Lou Dobbs do nothing but spread lies and fear in order to push their racist agenda on the American people. It is truly despicable that CNN lets this xenophobe have his own show. Thank you for writing this article.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t be more agree with you about this issue and a lot of more were Lou Dobbs reflecting his anger against Mexico and Mexicans.
Lou Dobbs should be accountable for lying, increased fear, and Anti Immigrant sentiment and of course his opinnion do not reflects the veracity of the news, he is more concerned to make money displaying his anger, bigotry, fear and xenophobia against Mexico and Mexicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t be more agree with you about this issue and a lot of more were Lou Dobbs reflecting his anger against Mexico and Mexicans.<br />
Lou Dobbs should be accountable for lying, increased fear, and Anti Immigrant sentiment and of course his opinnion do not reflects the veracity of the news, he is more concerned to make money displaying his anger, bigotry, fear and xenophobia against Mexico and Mexicans.</p>
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		<title>By: Cristina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cristina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this piece! Let&#039;s continue on revealing Dobb&#039;s lies! The sad thing is that we have many like him, we need to hold our media accountable!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this piece! Let&#8217;s continue on revealing Dobb&#8217;s lies! The sad thing is that we have many like him, we need to hold our media accountable!</p>
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		<title>By: mr.guapo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mr.guapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People like Lou Dobbs are a cancer on our political system and are preventing America from conducting a reasonable dialogue on the serious issues facing us.  Thanks for the excellent article on this demagogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People like Lou Dobbs are a cancer on our political system and are preventing America from conducting a reasonable dialogue on the serious issues facing us.  Thanks for the excellent article on this demagogue.</p>
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		<title>By: MdeG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MdeG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for a good article. I&#039;m all for throwing tomatoes at Lou D.

Seriously, you left out one of my favorite factoids in this debate, and I think it matters. Leprosy is indeed a horrific disease -- if untreated. It is, if I recall correctly, the *least* contagious of all human communicable diseases. The infection is also readily treated by antibiotics. There are reasons why people were terrified of it in the past. There is no reason for this terror now, at least in places where modern medical care is available, and there is no excuse for its use to vilify people from less-developed countries. 

I get really tired about the Dobbs-fuelled complaints about &quot;diseased people from south of the border.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for a good article. I&#8217;m all for throwing tomatoes at Lou D.</p>
<p>Seriously, you left out one of my favorite factoids in this debate, and I think it matters. Leprosy is indeed a horrific disease &#8212; if untreated. It is, if I recall correctly, the *least* contagious of all human communicable diseases. The infection is also readily treated by antibiotics. There are reasons why people were terrified of it in the past. There is no reason for this terror now, at least in places where modern medical care is available, and there is no excuse for its use to vilify people from less-developed countries. </p>
<p>I get really tired about the Dobbs-fuelled complaints about &#8220;diseased people from south of the border.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for really speaking the truth about Lou Dobbs&#039; shady program. His hate-filled and error-filled politics need to go.

Best, Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for really speaking the truth about Lou Dobbs&#8217; shady program. His hate-filled and error-filled politics need to go.</p>
<p>Best, Mike</p>
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		<title>By: plach</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously.  That jerk needs to stop spreading his lies and hate.</description>
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		<title>By: ICE Raids In Rhode Island: Pro-Migrant SanctuarySphere &#171; American Humanity</title>
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		<dc:creator>ICE Raids In Rhode Island: Pro-Migrant SanctuarySphere &#171; American Humanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right On!!</description>
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