Lamestream Media Survey Comments

Here are all the answers for the Lamestream Media survey of 15 October 2011

1. Which of these views of traditional media are most true for you?

Traditional media has taken a beating with the advent of blogs, social media outlets, etc. where the audience is often given midleading and/or untrue info and to compete traditional media is often doing much of the samething for instance leading the news with celebrity mishaps (this isn’t news) or downplaying actual news for example the number of activisit participating in Occupy Wall Street.

Take the coverage of the current Occupy where ever. Some channels say they are just like the tea party and others say no way. I say this; I tend to judge folks by their actions, not by what they say they will do but by what they actually did. If I were to visit some recent protest sites, those that had tea party members and those that had occupy groups, I could tell who had been there just by the appearance of the protest site. The tea party sites would actually look better and cleaner than when the tea party arrived. Those people have an opinion of self worth and would not want to be judged to be such a person who would trash another person’s property. Even though they protested a cause, everyone they came in contact with would be treated with full respect. The occupy folks sites would look worse than when they arrived and would be in need of a detailed clean-up. The individual members of occupy groups do not have the same individual view of self worth as do the tea party groups so they will leave the clean-up to others. This will happen and has already happened all over the world. When they become organized and have some leadership, perhaps then the sites will be cleaner but not as clean as tea party sites. They do not respect others as they protest. This can not be denied as the truth as it has already happened at multiple sites, on several contents, as I have written. But says the TV?

I think the LA Times has covered the movement pretty well.

Media coverage is shallow and naive. There is little detail and meat in most reporting. It is following the script in the movie “Network”.

Mainstream media in now in the entertainment, not new industry. Thus we get a 24/7 election coverage of the horse race, not the issues. For example, not one official vote has been taken for the 2012 election, yet, the media has alternative crowned, in order, Bachman, Perry, Rommey, Cain, the presumptive winner. They’re not even covering the other candidates with the exception of Ron Paul. I loath the press!

Media no longer reports the news. They make it. Gone are the days of the one-stop news source. Anyone who only listen to one source is very misinformed. Journalism has no longer holds the honorable stigma it once boasted. Walter is rolling in his grave.

I think all of the above are true to some extent.

That says it ALL! They make Paris Hilton’s sex life or some celebraty’s relapse front page manufactured news and ignore everything else!

There are few journalists employed by corporate media outlets that have critical thinking skills, let alone skills necessary to interview, delve, and investigate truths.

The main stream media is corporate owned, but that is just part of the problem. Muckraking is dead. It died in 1980. Mainstream journalists are no longer feared but familiar. Reporters are stars and know that it makes no difference which side their bread is buttered, they eat both sides anyway. Like our congress, they are bought and paid for by the corporate elite. Mainstream media is mostly distraction, not news

Mainstream is not fair and balanced when it is mostly owned by the conservatives and only presents their narrow view of America

We are paying more and more for less and less. They cover news as presented as facts and there is not enough checking. It’s a sad commentary when people like Joh Stewart and Bill Maher give the most worthy commentary and actually challenge interviewees.

Its a combination of all the above.

Corporate owners have downsized the news departments. Marketers tend to slant the results of surveys to align with the views of those who are paying them and thus consistently show a public which is fixated on sound bites and infotainment and avoid complex concepts. Reporters, sensitive to their jobs in this economy, tend to play it safe. With so much to report, important stories which require explanation tend to get buried because of time restraints.

I just do not believe them beyond the weather. With the weather I see if the news is on the mark.

Hearst told people “what to think” He controlled the media during his “reign”Nowadays are government of the people for the people and by the people, is a “farce” since politicians are literally owned, lock,stock,barrel by “the deep pocket people” and that is not secret, anyone can find out who owns what nowadays. fREEDOM OF THE PRESS IS ONLY ON THE INTERNET CERTAINLY NOT WITH CONVENTIONAL PRESS. THEIR BOSSES DICTATE WHAT JOURNALIST SAY, TRUTH IS ONLY A SIDE ISSUE, ITS $$$$$$$$$$’S THAT COUNT, JUST LIKE ALL ELECTIONS, $$$$$’S DETERMINE WHO USUALLY WINS, SINCE WHEN IS THAT DEMOCRACY IN ACTION? THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD PAY FOR ALL ELECTIONS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THEN “PERHAPS” THE RIGHT POLITICIAN GETS IN OFFICE OTHERWISE IF WE DO GET THE RIGHT POLITICIAN, WE ARE INDEED FORTUNATE! THAT IS UNTIL THEY GET CORRUPTED OF COURSE, $$$ IS NOT ONLY THE “EVIL DOER” ITS ALSO THE TEMPTATION OF $$$, MANY HONEST UPRIGHT POLITICIANS CHANGE THEIR TUNE ONCE $$$SIGN ENTERS THE PICTURE. IT TAKES A WISE, AND UPRIGHT HUMAN BEING TO BE A POLITICIAN, THE REASON WHY WE LACK THIS KIND OF HUMAN BEING; THEIR WORDS DO NOT MATCH THEIR WHAT THEY DO ONCE THEY ARE IN OFFICE, WHY? CORRUPTION! mrothman

I think B + D are both true. I also think that Fox exerts to much influence on News Coverage. Many Journalists believe they have to follow or emulate the Fox model and never criticize it because they may need to be employed by Fox at some point.

Media coverage is no longer about journalism ethics and covering stories with integrity…it is more about entertainment, not upsetting the wealthy and key players and it’s absolutely a wishy-washy- joke.

Mainsstream media is corporate owned but there is nothing WISE about them; they are just greedy like the rest of large corporations, by and large

They’ve been bullied into fanatically avoiding the appearance of ‘liberal bias’, with the result that they avoid naming Republicans as defeating Dem legislation to help the American people and the economy, they avoid teaching the public that Fox News is propaganda instead of news, and they are terrified of being bombed so they avoid informing the American public that the Right-wing are using the Republican Party to actuate a Christian Fundamentalist takeover of our nation, paid for by our ‘new American citizens’: corporations greedy for more profits.

Different media outlets fall under each of the above circumstances.

MSM are in the “entertainment” business, not the “news” business!

i think you are way off the ‘occupy wall street’ has been an unfocused demonstration with too many hippies there to just party and cause a fuss. i think it hurts the cause.

I have given up on TV Newscasts…. I listen to Public Broadcasting on the radio at home as well is in my car…..

Todays media exploits crime, sex and stupidities, particular political . Americans have been conditioned to be ENTERTAINED.

Too few people get and read newspapers and weekly newsmagazines. News departments have been cut. Mainstream media is not funded to cover real news any longer. Too much “news” is what was once “filler”. Gone are the daily updates on California State assembly and state senate agendas. If Steve Jobs understood that the public didn’t know what it wanted so it was up to him to create it, well. . .

With the on-slaught of the internet, information is much more readily available and saturates the market in too many forms. What we didn’t know about 20 years ago is much more readily available today.

Mainstream media is corporate owned and is almost entirely a propaganda platform for the wealthy. Real news is censored, ignored, and slanted against any hope of progress.

My husband says follow the money. Older folks read the paper and vote. We are a mixed bag of VietNam War (don’t go there again and the other side.

Point one above — identify with the elites — certainly is true. Most of today’s “journalists” are the offspring of upper middle class lawyers, managers, doctors, etc. But there is more to it. They are ill trained, poorly educated, have a Chamber of Commerce understanding of economics and also know what their corporate bosses want.

Journalism has become more an expression of opinion than the reportage of significant events. Today’s journalists lack the ability to anticipate, and don’t perceive the significance of, genuine news events. Modern journalism is also the result of the “dumbing down” of our educational system. I don’t understand how someone who lacks an understanding of basic English grammar and spelling can become a journalist, but it is commonplace.

Some of all of the above. The public demands entertainment, so that is what the MSM gives them. Plus there is no reason for them to upset corporate sponsors that pay for ad time. Plus there is the issue of wanting access to corporate and political figures, so it is hard to criticize them if you want to interview them later. They are cozy with power.

There are exceptions: Bob Scheer, Michael Hiltzik, Dylan Ratigan, Keith Olberman, Laerence O’Donnell and assorted others

I think it is a combination of things. The dog will not bite the hand that feeds it, so news staff will not portray their owners in a bad light. People have other avenues for obtaining their news, so traditional news outlets are too slow to respond to up to the minute events. Traditional media is less able to do its journalistic task, and therefore has resorted to news-entertainment (celebrity trials, car chases, etc.). What are they teaching in schools of journalism?

I’m simply shocked that all of them didn’t see this middle-class revolution coming. I saw it at least a few years ago. They either are not tuned into what’s happening in this world, or they aren’t admitting what they truly feel which makes me not trust them in general. I have my favorites of course, and those that I don’t even turn on.

Mainstream media are the tools of the progressives, liberals and communists

The corporate world is interested in profits, not democracy. And journalists nowadays are too tied to the fat cats they cover.

Mainstream media is catering to fluff news because they are owned by corporations that want to keep people distracted and dumbed down.

There’s truth in all these statement. Journalism lost much of its edge when it became a profession, not a trade. And tightening budgets make it doubly hard on reporters who now must work online AND in print. But the accumulation of all media in just a few, huge corporate hands means journalism will never again protect democracy as it once did.

 

2. Alternative media — blogs and videos and twitter pages — have rushed in to fill the gap. How’re they doing?

I didn’t check item #3 because it presumes that traditional media were at a level higher than ‘half-truths, opinion, and outright lies’.

Alternative media will soon bring into question the meaning of journalism, freedom of the press, and free speech. I feel that the end result will be more censorship, either by design or inferrence.

There is soooooo much crap on the internet that it is difficult to find out what is going on. I usually stick to the BBC.

The blogsphere is a severe waste of time. At least when it comes to media matters. It goes against everything journalism and media should be.

ALL of these statesments are at least partially true even though they are at odds with each other. The alternative media does feed readers’ cognitive dissonance and is polarizing (just like lame stream media). And once “alternative media” like Huffington Post and DKos, make it big, they actually BECOME the mainstream media.

don’t know what the dilemma is, but youth don’t feel empowered and don’t even listen to the news, which to me is partisan in general, not thoroughly researched, and emotionally charged. just the facts mam just the facts…no such thing anymore who what why where and when. remember.?

There is a reason for this rise….

There are too many Americans who don’t have access to the blogosphere, even now. We need to keep pressuring the media to take risks and report actual news.

Pacifica Radio, specifically KPFK in Los Angeles is the best source of progressive news. Alternet is prtty good.

I dont agree with your second statement. Thee are good and bad in everything; the internet proves that however, for the time being “its free, just as I am free at this time to accept/reject what your saying. The changes happening “worldwide” is because of the free media/internet where the pros/cons can be honestly discussed by everyone even a “socalled Indian “untouchable” WHATS HAPPENING TODAY WORLDWIDE IS THE TECHNOLOGY MAKING IT POSSIBLE FOR THE “LITTLE GUY” TO “SAY HIS/HER PIECE AND WITH MILLIONS,BILLIONS OF LITTLE GUYS ORGANIZING, NO POLITICAL STRUCTURE ESPECIALLY THE CORRUPT STRUCTURES WILL GO THE WAY OF THE FRENCH REVOLUTIONS. WHICH IS HAPPENING NOW IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND WILL HIT EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THAT NEEDS “CHANGE” INCLUDING OUR CHERISHED UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! AND WHY NOT? WHEN THE PIE IS CUT UP WHERE ONE PERCENT OWNS NINETY NINE PERCENT THAN CHANGE IS “IN THE WORKS” AND IT CANNOT BE STOPPED ESPECIALLY NOW WHERE PEOPLE CAN ORGANIZE AS SHOWN IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND IN TIME ELSEWHERE, AND WHY NOT? THE CLARION CALL IS “WHY NOT”? WANT CHANGE, GO TO THE TOP, NOT THE BOTTOM, ERASE ALL OF THE LIES OF THE TRICKLING DOWN FALSE THEORY PEPETRATED BY THE PEOPLE AT THE TOP. ITS A DAMN LIE AND NEVER WORKED, NOW IS THE TIME TO PUT IT TO SLEEP FOREVER! CAPITALIZM HAS HAD ITS DAY, SOCIALISM HAS HAD ITS DAY, COMMUNIZM HAS HAD ITS DAY, AND FINALLY CHINA FOUND THE SOLUTION. IT REALLY ISNT THE SOLUTION BUT FOR NOW IT WORKS FOR THEM, THAT IS UNTIL THIS THEORY WILL ALSO CRUMBLE. WHATS NEEDED IS THE “RIGHT EDUCATION” EDUCATION NOT FORMALIZED BY THE SAME CROOKED SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE TODAY; SINCE ITS SET UP ON THE SOCALLED CORPORATE STRUCTURE WHERE THE GUY ON TOP “PULLS ALL THE STRINGS”. A NEW SYSTEM IS NEEDED, BADLY. AND SADLY. capitalizm is fine is one percent didnt own it all, perhaps we “should bring this one percent down to a level where they act and behave like “human beings” instead of an autocracy which is a figment of “their imagination of course, since every human being is the “same” other than qualifying them by the $$$$ sign which is “outrageous” uncivilized etc, mrothman

I think the first half of A is true- the Blogoshere needs some kind of peer reviewed fact checking in order to be truly effective.

There are some blogs and media alternatives such as the Huffington Post, LA Progressive and I follow folks like Bill Maher, John Stewart etc…to get my news

I don’t think we know the future yet–we can work for the alternative of productive places for both traditional and new media, but I don’t think that’s guaranteed at all.

the media is 90% liberal already. they aren’t agressive enough for your tastes because even they see that the demonstrations are weak, unfocused, astroturfed and have too many rabble-rousers.

The blogosphere does provide vital coverage of events that the mainstream do not, but more effort needs to be made to evaluate the validity of so much of it because it is also awashin in half-truths, unsubstantiated opinions, and outright lies that never get called out for what they are. The good web news sites with reliable columnists who do real research and base their opinions on such facts, as well as their own philosophy, are doing what the mainstream gave up doing a long time ago. I am tired of the he said-she said kind of news the mainstream media do.

I’m hopeful—–

THEY HAVE BECOME AN EAZY SOURCE OF INFORMATION//ENTERTAINMENT.

We hope that the evolving media will be comprised of labeled fact versus filler/entertainment/opinion articles. We understand that ALL written articles have bias – but “news” must remain that, just as “opinion” must be labeled as such. The problem is too much non-relevant half-truth.

With the ever-development of globalized translation mechaism already implace and the increasing capacities of databases, size alone will make real-time access of information a reality.

Be selective in all forms of imformation. Obtain many view pts even if its like taking castro oil.

There is hope that we will arrive at some point at a “new media” to replace the once fair mainstream media, but we’re a long way from being there yet, and there is no guarantee we’ll get there. A major danger is the eagerness of big Internet outfits and government to control access to web sites.

Strike “aren’t sexy…enough” add “are ignored by the corporate media.

Alternative media are doing very well. They enhance democracy and give voices to those who otherwise would lack an outlet to express their points of view.

Again, a bit of all of the above. Often the alternative media, of which I am a part (OpEdNews.com), do not fact check enough, and are prone to accepting conspiracy theories too readily. But at least they don’t have the problem of being too cozy with those in power.

Once the corporate internet service providers gain the power to control what we can access or send, the progressive alternative media will be wiped out. It’s a temporary phenomenon. The web and email will disseminate only what the corporate interests allow.

A new model will emerge, with respected citizen journalists filling the gap left by the shrinking mainstream media.

They are doing good. But readers /viewers still need to be educated to know the difference between slant and fact.

I believe that the media only presents what they are allowed to present, and even then they put their own spin on issues to persuade people watching or reading to see things from their personal point of view. Personally, I am so sick and tired of hearing all the negativity, and about the personal lives of celebrities that I don’t even cater to any mainstream media outlets. I think we should squash all of that nonsense and start over from scratch.

We will arrive at a new place where information gets to people who want it through a combination of professional media surrounded by growingly respectable “citizen journalists.” That paradigm may actually be better than what we’ve had in recent decades.

5. How do you think the changing media landscape will affect our democracy and culture?

I would like to believe that decentralized media will help us be more informed and effective. But that depends above all on attitude: a person should view media as tools to help guide and inform action in a take-charge life; vs tools whereby to spend life and leisure being passively info-tained.

Further subdivision of media into various components simply exacerbates the ideological polarization of those components. Consumers of media choose to consume only those topics of interest to them, which amplifies their own personal ideological echo chambers. For any singular truth, there are myriad perceptions, and to focus in on only one perception is to fail in the pursuit of truth. Net result? Our culture becomes more and more divided. Particularly, the 99% becomes more and more divided, therefore further strengthening the 1%. Not that this is a great change from our current “sham” democracy…

It is making more and more people retreat and wait for the truth to surface

Once upon a time you felt like you were getting the best of the best with the nightly news now it seems that you get what you get…I as a viewer will need to look deeper for the truth simply because its becomes harder and harder to know what is truth vs fiction.

don’t know!

Do you mean our government, which is not a democracy but a republic or do you mean my feeling of having democracy in my life? both are being messed-up big time.

Looks gloomy. No serious attention on the part of the reader/viewer. Not enough good reporting.

Right now it seems to have a polarizing effect I think that this will continue until the minority views can be silenced. Democracy and culture will then be unified into one brainwashed society.

I don’t know. It depends on what direction the change takes.

Hopefully the truth will be the barometer and people of the world will be the important culture.

Did anyone ssy ‘dumbing down the population’? In an era where ‘reality’ TV successfully exploits superficiality, it is pretty hard to carry on an intelligent conversation with many others.

It spreads “truthiness”, when one gets to select their version of the truth. It fosters division where depending on your choice in channels, you see a different “truth”. Someone needs to be a champion for news and it’s not NPR or PBS Newshour. They constantly confuse diverse opinion for being fair minded. I find it lazy. Give me more Fareed Zarcharia. I’m disappointed he didn’t make your list.

It will doom us to ignorance and promote intolerance by dividing us into opposing camps fanned by extremist views.

positively

The majority of people will be much easier to control.

when people are told lies or slanted info they can not decide for themselves reality. for democracy to work we need to know all sides and consequences,

Don’t really know

Right now, the media has degraded American culture (as in Brave New World) and the corporate media is hugely to blame for the buying of elections.

what democracy? what culture. used to be we learned Spanish to help the new immigrants. Now that they’re the majority, if you don’t speak Spanish, you get paid less. CUlture…they don’t even know Columbus day in California. The stores don’t even both putting signs in English and neither to Verizon Phone or Allstate Insurance. Ask an elementary shcool child where they live? 60 % said Los Angeles Mexico. Language is a culture. English has a larger vocabulary than most languages and concepts that seem to promote success. change the language change the culture. Democracy will go the way of the language.

With luck, we will have greater access to news which will help our democracy to work better.

Too soon to tell but if corporations continue to be the decision-makers in our government, they will turn us all into serfs.

Fascists rule! Because many people are willfully ignorant!

We’re rapidly losing our democracy.

the concentration of media ownership has already had disastrous effects

If it it becomes honest, unafraid and at least neutral, it will help shape the culture and ensure democracy. If it stays the same, democracy will give way to hidden fascism.

For the good as long as the new outlets present the facts and slant them to fit a particular political view.

OUR FELLOW CITIZENS ARE NOT GETTING EDUCATED IN SCHOOL AND THE MEDIA IS EXACERBATING THE RAMPID IGNORANCE.

Slime like Rupert Murdock are an affrone to our democracy

I have high hopes for Current TV. Time will tell.

Both will feel a negative affect, but much greater in the US than to Europe

It has the potential to restore democracy. The current plutocracy was established prior to the internet explosion. But, as you said above, it requires discrimination and de facto proper education and people accepting responsibility for their own choices

Corporate media is too often just that, corporate, miss-informative and deceptive. I think it is a natural evolution for truth seekers to gravitate toward blogs and on line news sources that most represents the peoples commons

Not sure.

It unfortunately is critical to our democracy and culture. Truth needs to be pursued at all costs. There are a lot of confused people out there who need to be enlightened/informed and others with agendas that don’t benefit our world who need to be exposed.

I am hopeful that alt media can do an effective end run around ther main streem

As long as the changing landscape does not obstruct the free flow of information no matter which witch control the out. But the jury is still out for me.

It must continue and get better, as so called traditional media is a corporate lie.

More choice is better- lets just establish some way to cut thru the crap

Unfortunately, I believe it will negatively impact our culture because people aren’t smart enough to obtain the information and then go do the research for themselves. There is less and less accountability mechanisms to keep people balanced

I don’t know; hopefully for the better, BUT?

The wolf is in the fold, so our Occupy Everywhere signs and statements provide the only real, unplanned, unscripted voice of the people. Eventually, we must successfully communicate that Right-wing media is propaganda, even if we must continue to tolerate their sustained presence.

Hopefully it will bring some reality to our consciousness of what really matters and geting involve in the lives of our fellow human beings for the good of all.

The one-sidedness of blogs perpetuates our existing stereotypes and preferences. We need tgo restore the old “Fairness Doctrine”.

I’m an optimist!

At this time, I don’t know.

it is what it is. compared to just having 3 voices on TV 30 years ago, this is an improvement, but you do have to work harder.

The Fox News Channel has already warped our democracy by pushing the Tea Party and lying and sneering about our President and anyone or thing that they view as a threat to our current plutocracy. The mainstream have picked up way too much on their style and content because they, too, are run by big corporations that are a source of so much inequality in America. MSNBC, although also owned by one of the biggest, amazes me that they do a good job of researching and calling out the very guys who feed them. That’s why I love them. They are the only ones trying to really save democracy for the common good. It is sad that, although many read on-line opinions, too much of it is not factual or rational, and the people who swallow that are the very same ones listening to the lies of Fox News. They are gullible people who are being manipulated, and that is not good for democracy, but serves the plutocracy well and helps them retain all the money and power.

Unless traditional media starts covering events that directly impacts the daily and urgent needs of the masses, true democracy will never be achieved because they will only be covering news that the elite 1 percent wants them to cover.

It has already changed—- The Schools were teaching our journalists students the “integrity” of reporting. The lack of integrity, I am sad to say, is showing it’s ugly face everywhere…..

I don’t know, but do appreciate what little there is that is worthwhile and accessible to me.

If a fascist approach does not set it — alternative media will be invaluable. Mainstream media is an archaic dinosaur.

It already has! The middle and lower classes con-sume the glut of “reality TV” diet of gossip and sensationalism, a dog stuck in a wall gets coverage while starving millions do not merit the same reaction…sad state of affairs. Tho’ it might be due to public’s saturation with bad news…

THE ONES WITH THE MOST MONEY /EXPOSURE TO THE PEOPLE WILL RULE.

All students must be educated so as to discern what they hear and read – for relevancy and truth.

It will have little or no effect.

I think if we lose net neutrality we are in for corrporate fascism that will lead to violent revolution – and I am NOT in favor of this.

Improve it.

One can only hope so…..

Unless we get some consolidation of online sources to produce a handful of solid sources of information that put out real journalism, we probably are going to lose any chance of reclaiming government for the people.

BLOG inherently lies because they only repeat what someone else has said. They don’t have any resources to check the accuracy of their “facts.”

Time will tell

It will improve it. It’s diametrically opposed to censorship. Opposition to censorship and expression of alternative points of view are good things.

There is going to be a lot of turmoil for some time to come, and I expect lots of effort by the powers that be to mess with online, alternative news sites while continuing to hold sway over the MSM with ad dollars.

Impossible to predict at this time.

I think it will be a constant fight!

I feel people will tune into the truth. Right now, I think they’ve turned off all the gibberish going on in the media. One day, ‘Dancing with the Stars’ and other reality TV shows will lose their appeal.

It will open the doors for the new to come in.

Already people read only what they already want to hear, by choosing which news sources to access. That increases polarization and decreases a common perception of reality. When the ISP’s control our access, they’ll control our minds. The use of distraction and fluff to dumb down the populace will only increase. We are losing our democracy, and our culture is becoming meaner and more shallow.

The falling educational standards will have more effect than the “media landscape”. Already you see a trend away from reading, to watching You Tube, I’d guess because of a growing number of people uncomfortable with reading and writing

It will spel the end of democracy in our nation as we’ve come to know it.

Occupy America is a direct outgrowth of the social media revolution. Expect more grassroots activity, which might not always go the direction progressives would like.

When the people reach a fever pitch of “enough” and take action as they are today, the media is forced to follow. Up until now because of the massive growth of Occupy wall street, the mainstream Media did not speak.

I believe our culture is leaning toward stupid, and our democracy has been in shambles since the beginning of this century.

With the accumulation of so much wealth in so few hands, our democracy faces a major test as traditional media withers from a lack of readers and the money they bring. Citizen journalists have a role to pay, but they need to step up with new professionalism to count for much.

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