Friday Feedback: Low Information Voters

friday feedbackEach Friday, LA Progressive presents a comment we editors find to be most profound, insightful, unusual, or even annoying– we then highlight the comment in an effort to bring attention to the broad range of positions taken by our readers.

This week, “Ryder” commented on David Love’s article, These Low Information Voters Will Be Our Undoing, which looks at how white working class voters have been led to vote against their economic interests through right-wing deception and appeals to racist impulses.

For those who don’t know Ryder, he/she is a frequent commenter at the LA Progressive. Ryder is one of a few conservatives who frequent our publication and offer comments. We welcome readers of all stripes and anyone can comment, as long as they do not violate our comment policy.

But today we decided to feature Ryder to elicit comments that provide a constructive counter narrative to Ryder’s flawed logic. Progressives know the Ryders of this nation, whether they remain silent or are vocal. They’ve been hoodwinked. But too many of them vote  for us to not stay engaged with this community.

Ryder’s comment:

That David is talking about “fighting” is indicative of the hostile perspective of the unions… joining to do battle. The irony is that this call to join across racial and ethnic lines is made after decades of leftist separation of race and ethnicity. True color-blind Americans see people only as Americans, while the progressives usually put race identification BEFORE country. The left sees people through a racial lens.

But this means that country comes a distant second.

This means that driving cities bankrupt is not a concern… driving counties bankrupt is not worth considering, dragging a state into the depths of debt is “not my problem”… With the unionized left, it’s “how big is my paycheck?”.

The vast majority of all Americans enter contracts as individuals… but for those pampered by union protectionism, especially in the public sector where the employer, the people, are not at the bargaining table… just union leaders and corruptible politicians that generally don’t think twice before selling out the people, and give away money they don’t have, and that their city/county/state simply can’t afford… and then everything collapses.

It’s hard to imaging a more corrupt system.

Even FDR knew that collective bargaining in the public sector was an impossible ides, and ethically bankrupt.

the fact that 38% of “union households” seem to feel the same way, tells you something… they’re in unions, not because of free choice… they are in unions out of ****force****. Where does the progressive left think it should have the power of *****force***** over free citizens? That they MUST joint organizations, for the “privilege” of working? That they MUST pay dues?

The progressive left is about freedom, ONLY when it serves them. When it doesn’t, then force, coercion, and confiscation is just fine and dandy.

Public sector jobs are more secure than private sector jobs, if only for the fact that government can’t go out of business. My company can. I’m big enough to live with that fact… and face life and the uncertainty that goes with it.

Published by the LA Progressive on June 22, 2012
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Comments

  1. like-mind says:

    [“fighting” is indicative of the hostile perspective of the
    unions… joining to do battle.]

    => Ryder, you fail to distinguish this from how the Tea
    Party has joined to do battle.

     

    [The irony is that this call to join across racial and ethnic
    lines is made after decades of leftist separation of race and ethnicity.]

    => Every action by every member of the Left is based upon
    belief that We Are All Equal and when we “join together to do battle”,
    we agitate for people to notice when Some Groups, such as Gays, Black, Jews, are
    NOT being treated equally. Ryder, when the Left mentions Some Group’s name,
    describing their identity, then calling-out the oppression by, for instance,
    non-Gays, non-Black, and non-Jews, you mistakenly consider this to be divisive,
    which is usually associated with defensiveness about being called-out in this
    manner.  In actuality, overcoming bigotry
    results in agreeing that We Are All Equal, which is quite the opposite of
    divisiveness.

     

    [True color-blind Americans see people only as Americans,
    while the progressives usually put race identification BEFORE country. The left
    sees people through a racial lens]

    => Ryder, would you welcome your Sister marrying a Black
    man and take joy at their mixed-race children being forever part of your family,
    and share their pictures proudly to your friends, co-workers, and acquaintances?
    Would you be delighted at your Brother’s happiness when he brought home his
    fiance who was another man?  If not, then
    you fail to admit your own inability to see everyone “only as
    Americans”.

     

    [This means that driving cities bankrupt is not a concern...  driving counties bankrupt is not
    worth considering, dragging a state into the depths of debt is “not my problem"]

    => I have noticed nearly every Conservative polemic rests heavily
    upon reductio ad absurdum, and, Ryder, so does your assertion that unions
    struggling to make sure their workers are being paid well for their labor and
    they’re not being taken advantage of’, therefore means that “driving
    cities bankrupt is not a concern”. 
    If you and I stop speaking in generalities and instead refer to
    particular instances, then, yes, there are too many examples of unions who
    fought to extract too much. But, likewise, there are too many examples of
    bosses who succeeded in providing too little. 
    This come under the heading of Human Nature and Reality, where
    particular instances of any given action are never perfect, and the goal of
    getting things just right is rarely attained. This is also known as
    “That’s Life”.

     

    [The progressive left is about freedom, ONLY when it serves
    them. When it doesn’t, then force, coercion, and confiscation is just fine and
    dandy.]

    => Ryder, I wish to call your attention to the primary
    activity of the Right these last few years, where women who seek their
    Constitutional Right to have an abortion is met with vandalism, explosions, physical
    violence, murder, in addition to legal coercion to have a probe put inside your
    private parts, the requirement to listen to the fetus’ heartbeat and observe
    its ultrasound image, and the confiscation of the woman’s money by the
    requirement she pay for the privilege. This is a gaping blind-spot for
    self-professed lovers of small government.

     

    [Public sector jobs are more secure than private sector jobs,
    if only for the fact that government can’t go out of business.]

    => The trillions that Wall Street lost “trickled
    down” to reduced budgets by federal, state, and local governments,
    resulting in layoffs for federal workers, and state and local public sector
    firefighters, emergency medical responders, and teachers. 

     

    [My company can [go out of business]. I’m big enough to live
    with that fact… and face life and the uncertainty that goes with it]

    => This is the source of your negative feelings, and I
    challenge your belief you are truly responding to your anxiety as a
    business-owner by being ‘big’ about things, which would necessitate that you
    wished nobody ill.

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