Occupy LA 2.0: Hey, Bro!

All responses:

What’s the best course for Occupy LA to take?

civil disobedience

To work along side other progressive organizations such as MoveOn.Org, Democracy Now, Democracy for America.

TAKE OVER BANKS AND CONTINUE TO ASK PEOPLE TO TRANSFER THEIR ACCOUNTS TO FEDERAL CREDIT UNIONS.

Declare victory in round one. Look for consensus on specific issues. Keep saying 99%

The Occupiers should give up their tents. This is no time to snooze. From what I’ve gleaned, most of them have buildings to sleep in. They have benefited the original downtown denizens, the truly homeless, by providing a safe outdoor community, but unless the Occupiers are willing to be arrested because some of those bedding down with them around City Hall have no place else to go — unless they are willing to protest poverty itself — they need to move to the next level. The Occupy movement would gain more attention and momentum by standing, forming picket lines or even sitting on the brown lawn or in camp chairs on the sidewalks around the clock. Organize a little, as our ad hoc Montrose Peace Vigil has for six years, and keep the ground covered in shifts. Occupy, yes, but make a stand. Don’t retreat into your pod at night. Show your conviction 24/7. Bring light into the darkness. Read more: http://montrosepeacevigil.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=recent#ixzz1ey3EWZY3

Continue there.

Persist in demanding fairness for the 99%. If they give up, it might take another 50 years to get this momentum going again!

Move to a political activist phase.

Accept that people will take differing routes: some to take the offer, others to disperse, others go to other locations, and some remain and face eviction orders or forcible eviction/risk arrest.

nonviolent resistance to removal; continue the occupation as has happened in NYC

Accept offer from Mayor but on condition that city approves bill to stop forclosures in LA for six months to help residents find solution.

Communications re: corruption of government via 1%

I don’t know. I understand the importance of maintaining a high profile.

Get back to focusing on how to shake up the 1% by “occupying” major shopping malls, banks, highways and save people in foreclosure from being kicked out of their homes. They should also suggest students stop paying their college debt as well as people in foreclosure, or any others who are being mistreated by the banks. Certainly, people must be encouraged to transfer their money from the big banks to credit unions and community banks.

I think that there are better “targets” to occupy other than the government sites, i.e. major banks, those about to be evicted from foreclosure, etc. This would require mobility and coordination.

Get supporters to amp up the pressure on city leaders to improve on the “deal” while forming alliances with community groups that have broader constituencies (you had an excellent article on this concept that I can’t improve upon.

Peaceful protest…. without tents.

I worry that the south central farm has little visibility and is far less accessible to people that want ton isit but not camp. Although it is close to a lot of the 99%’s…???

Unless we are out there occupying, we do not get a say.

Change motto to Occupy Washington and use space given to organize and find a strong leader/spokesperson to run against (or push) Obama.

Destruction and stasis are the enemies of progress. The property needs rest and maintenance, and its a timeshare, not a residence. Take a good offer and negotiate from strength for spring. Stay popular.

stay your ground and defend your liberties

Use the new pace as a gound zero for marches and organized demonstrations to the city hall area. How far away is it?

Group Decision I support

Organize a huge March on Washington. Take the Occupy movement to every campus around the country. If students don’t rise up and demand CHEAP public education…then they deserve what they get. If the public doesn’t rise up and demand a different tax structure…then we deserve what we get. Occupy has accomplished I think it set out to do: educate the public as to what is happening to them…what it means to be part of the 99%. It was all there: the workshops, the little marches, the friendliness and openness and democracy in action. Now it’s time to go home with dignity and a sense of accomplishment. we who don’t do TENT have got to get ourselves working and finish what they set out to do which was to educate and stir up to do the right thing.

I believe that history suggests that colonialists (and the 1% are colonialists) can only be moved by violence or by passive resistance as practiced and expounded by Gandhi and M. L. King. I don’t believe violence is desirable or viable in our extremely militarized country. Unfortunately, even passive resistance results in casualties. As long as the greater proportion of the 99% continues to follow the carrot that the myth of upward mobility presents, little will change. The former middle-class must get angry and leaders will emerge and followers will follow. I have recently returned from Viet Nam and a plutocracy is emerging there just as it did in Russia and China. The colonialists have no allegiance to any country they only have allegiance to their class. I have opened my mouth but I’m not willing to allow my body to be sent to jail. Occupy LA and the entire movement needs to keep pushing “passively,” the 1% will call out their police, and when the incidents continue to hit closer “to home” people will begin to listen – I think.

To create a list of demands–freeze tuition hikes, stop cuts to Medicare and Medicaid, tax corporations that outsource labor, which is the root cause of unemployment. They should not leave City Hall for another site where they will be “out of sight and out of mind.” At City Hall they are a visible reminder that people are fed up with a system where 1% of Americans can live in wealth and luxury, while the rest of us struggle. The safety net has eroded so much that one setback–the loss of a job, an illness, can losing a whole life’s work. It is wrong that the wealthiest country in the world can harbor so much misery and discontent by the unequal distribution of wealth.

Stick to the most important points, stop forclosures, tax the wealthy, improve healthcare, and more money for public schools.

Disband the encampment and pursue activism by other means unbeholden to the City.

Adapt and survive…

Revolution, not reform. Rely on the working class. Massive intentional struggle against racism.

Stand their ground!

Keep it up!

Make more specific demands. Events should target things that afe directly related to these issues.

The Occupy movement if it works at all does so because it is an eyesore like 400,000 people in Tahrir Square in Egypt. With a mainstream media that blacks out most coverage of the Occupy movement, being out of sight in an office building or marginalized at the South Central farm land would allow those in power to ignore anything the Occupy Movement does or proposes. City Hall is the seat of government. Jefferson said that citizens need to periodically go into the Virginia House of Burgesses and ask, “What the hell are you guys (no women allowed at the time) doing in here? While kicking open the doors of City Hall might not be advisable, as the crow flies it is a shorter distance from the areas presently occupied around City Hall, then it is from South Central. It presently is the closest approximation of a Commons where citizens can freely associate as part of a democratic process. It is also a starting point for actions taken like last week against the corruption of the out of control Federal Reserve.

Take the offer. A gift of LA office space for a year. Farmland for the homeless. DON’T THINK TWICE!!!

Be flexible but keep eyes on prize

Begin to expand the size of the movement and the economic issues it represents through door knocking and other means. Demand political response from elected officials. Move on asap, since boredom and stagnation are the prime enemies of grassroots activism and lead to the corruption of initial ideals and counterproductivity.

Create a third party!

Take the office space and campground – and develop the tools needed to grow the movement nationally. That would mean other Occupy-site would also take more permanent form and link-up. There is a universe of techniques for Direct Action and agenda setting that await our discovery.

They need to be in a very visible location: Hollywood, Westwood or Santa Monica come to mind. They should be in a location highly frequented by ppl of every demography and be visible to the media. An alternate location should be a very visible one.

Look into the offer and weigh the pros and cons before making a decision.

The best course for Occupy LA is to take the space and have a permanent base of operations and then pick out one cause, like making sure that the Supreme Court is secure from a conservative take over by getting the current Pres. reelected (Justice Ginsberg isn’t going to last another 4 years). Right now the public views this movement as a bunch of old hippies camping out and getting in trouble and not much more. Having that office space will give the movement a legitimacy and a base of operations that a thousand years of camping out will never do. The only caveat is that there has to be some clearly defined goals that public opinion can understand and support otherwise this whole effort is just masturbation, getting good feeling and accomplishing nothing.

Stop this “cooperation” with the City approach to struggle

Passive resistance. Resodding the City Hall lawn is NOT a valid reason to expel them. (We live in a desert – the area around City Hall should be landscaped appropriately.) Given their numbers have grown, there MAY be a valid reason to relocate to an area where they can be visible and where toilet facilities, showers, garbage removal, etc. might be better provided. But it should be after negotiation and on Occupy LA’s terms not by fiat from the mayor. He needs to look towards his activist roots and all the council members would do well to embrace the movement. After all, most of them are part of the 99% as are, presumably, 99% of their constituents. The economy WILL NOT be solved by corporatocracies and the elite mouthing the same platitudes of trickle-down economics and deficit reduction. We need to FIGHT so the financial institutions which precipitated the meltdown are punished – not by prison terms which the taxpayer then pays for but by fines and obligations to fix the mess. Regulations which build on the Glass Steagall Act need to be quickly passes and ENFORCED. Banks need to divest themselves of non-banking activities even if this means the government taking over and doing it for them. Occupy LA is providing services to people – legal advice, acknowledgement of who are at fault, healthcare, education, etc. – which has not been done by City Hall (or at least not in an accessible manner). Occupy LA and the rest of the movements should stay the distance. I am one of you.

Be very cautious dealing with City governments. Is this offer perminent or can they be kicked out at a lager time on some pretext? What about building maintenance, electric, water, gas, property taxes, security, etc?

run for city council

I think they should stay. Their visibility is a constant reminder of what working people, poor people and the dwindling middle class are up against.

Bring together the other Occupy movements in Southern California.

Define Tangible Objectives

Leave themselves open to other groups that can bring support and need support. Arrange a sit down with grass roots tea party members if there are any. Continue to exist as a force for good.

move on to some real issues, like foreclosures, homelessness, hunger, jobs

In addition to taking the space which would be a useful base, they need to negotiate to maintain a presence at City Hall, however. Daily vigils & protests are important, without the bathroom and safety issues.

Move into a more systematic political role. Occupy banks and corporations.

WINTER IN DOWNTOWN LOAS ANGELES IS EASY.

Occupy areas around the banks/brokers that have caused most of the trouble. Invite protesters from New York to occupy in L.A. duiring the cold weather back east.

Stand Strong, call on the Democratic Mayor to be a Democrat and Stand with Concerned Americans and work with Public safety to protect.

Hard to say…the power comes from spontaneous and continuous public visibility in public space.

To make the movement bigger by civil disobedence and showing the world how corrupt the LA cops really still ARE

Stay put. The offer to move elsewhere makes for obscurity, which is not really an accommodation.

The focus needs to change from an occupation to daily demonstrations and political action.

Choose their battles, real estate is not a cause, focus on solutions

Needs to move to long-term plan to engage activists across the city, rather than spending all its time worrying about maintaining an encampment.

Cooperate and continue dialogue

Negotiate before agreeing to move, if at all. Get something for it.

Stay right where they are

Accept the offer. Plus still have the right each week or month to camp out at city hall, as a reminder to the in power that we the people, demand that our public tax dollars are paid back plus interest, and not mismanaged, plus we want all of it invested back into our local communities, and we more. IF NOT NO DEAL, UNTIL WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA GET WHAT WE DESERVE.

Leave and count it as a win

LAPD are going to evict from the park- I think camp on sidewalks where its legal and continue to hold GA meetings at City Hall nitely at 7pm

Make their encampment permanent and reach out to the public.

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3. What are your thoughts on how LA’s civic leaders and police department have handled Occupy LA compared to other cities and encampments?

more fair as opposed to unfair

Very Good.

EXCELLENT

Pretty good.

So far, great — as of 7:30 p.m. Sunday.

Quite well.

Doesn’t seem problematic to me, but I have not paid close attention to it.

They have done a good job.

Much more wisely than anywhere else I’ve heard of. But seeing daily the reminder of their guilt about their collusion with the money power has gotten to the more venal of the politicians, so now we’ll see. Maybe the police know they’re part of the 99% too, or some of their grandmothers are being evicted from their homes.

it just took them a bit longer to bow to corporate pressure and threaten eviction

Currently they are handling it with respect

Better than UC Davis, Oakland, NYC

The accommodation and lack of violence by the LA police has been beneficial, and has set an example for other municipalities.

Horrible in most all cases. It seems the 1% feels threatened and are resorting to tactics learned by Homeland Security which were supposed to be used against “terrorists”, but are being used against the civilian population.

L.A. has–so far–been more patient and supportive than other cities. We will have to see what happens now.

not sure

Fine

Well above average, maybe a B+. It’s a good thing it is not on county property, Taser territory.

so far, so good. lets hope it continues that way

Better than NYC and Portland

Better than most but still weak

I am really really impressed. Chief Beck Deserves a great deal of credit. I have been at the site many times (we live on 1st St.) and always the police that I witnessed were fair and cordial, even when walking among some crazies. I think the mayor and Council too has shown restraint when the site was sometimes unsightly, the homeless numbers grew and it became a real thorn to others (like the Farmers Market)

LA is attempting to “co-opt” the occupiers which is just another means of control.

Much better than other cities.

L.A. has done a better job of listening and not being confrontational, at least up to this point.

Why should Occupy L.A. get special privileges that other political movements do not?

Better than others but still tone-deaf…

They seem to be a lot smarter (about trying to coopt a chunk of the movement) but just as committed to capitalist rule.

There, there! You’ve said it no shut up.

Better than some other cities

Up to now they have been fairly reasonable. That answer may be different Tuesday morning.

While there are some anarchists and unengaged street people ala Berkeley at the Occupy site, I have seen police look to arrest people who were not doing anything to justify it.

The mayor and police have been very nice. They cannot give away public property indefinately. All occupations outlive their welcome whether its your mother-in-law, your adult children, or formless democracy.

Much better than most large cities

Best by far of any big city.

Create a third party!

Frankly, they deserve respect and credit. I was down there several times and the police were exemplary. And the offer of space and resources is very reasonable.

No surprise there.

They done better than most.

By offering the office space and the grounds, they are acting both responsibly and are officially endorsing the legitimacy of the movement, a very important gain unless this is just a Revolution for the Hell of it, exercise.

They’ve used it to their advantage .. as a public relations ploy

To date, good. NOT HAPPY with Villagaigosa’s fiat to move out.

So far LA has been very cooperative.

turned media discussion from banks to the lawn.

The police have been amazing! The politicians at City Hall – not so much.

We will see after the deadline

Less brutal than other jurisdictions.

comparatively very well

Mostly I have to say that the police department has handled things okay. We’ll see how they react if it comes down to clearing the city hall encampment out.

I am glad to hear the expressions of support.

So far, ok. Let’s see what happens Monday and Tuesday.

BEST OF ALL ENCAMPMENTS

It all depends on what happens on Monday

Strategic.

Better than most.

They are being fake Does anyone know if they really are filming a tv show or movie in the area later in the week?

Not sure, have not been on top of that one.

Pretty well

Better, but they should not be yielding to corporate and conservative pressures, certainly not the corporate media.

Police, especially, are to be commended for their kid gloves approach. But we’ll have to see how they handle Monday night.

stellar….to be admired

Smart.

Much better than others, so far

So far so good.

LA was peaceful so that’s good but nobody seems to know what the movement is about or why..What qualifies as a win ?. Obviously the banks are not going to shut down and capitalism will continue.

Much better than other cities, but some evidence that deep democracy is not understood by city leaders. We shall see if/when they evict, how they do compared to other cities.

So far, so good.

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4. How best can progressive political activists support the Occupiers’ work?

Join them.

Thru supporting them and the other progressive groups.

GET THEM TO ADOPT PERMANENT DEMANDS- SUCH AS NATIONALIZE THE BANKS

Recognize that there are events in Long Beach, Riverside and others that I do not know.

Go and hang out, learn and network.

Give tents, money, mental support. Encourage them to keep going.

By political prodding of our leaders from the local to the national levels, and by pushing for public funding of political campaigns.

Not sure

Do whatever you believe helps with extra energy and daring. Demand that the “authorities” act carefully in whatever they do regarding the physical occupation, and that they leave the people alone, or if they expel, do so with the very minimal force and in the daytime.

participate

By providing direction

Contribute $, time, inform others

Stand by them. Be there physically if the going gets rough. Help in any ways possible. Continue the dialogue and demand an end of institutionalized greed and corruption, in all of its manifestations.

Money, non-violent civil disobedience training, legal help, and connecting with community groups.

Keep in touch with occupiers and lend support via shelter and other forms of financial and material assistance as needed.

Be visible ~~~~~ and non-violebt.

Delivering food. Attending evening meetings. Engaging in the conversation in our own communities, voting, supporting progressive candidates…

Start actions that allow– working people and regular citizen to join in on the wekends… and in various places… camping out isn’t an option for most and i think it has gone on now long enought to have made hte point… lets OCCCUPY the NEWS, THE COUNCILO MEETINGS, VOTER REGISTRASTION PLACES, OCCUPY THE MINDS OF VOTERS!

money, phoning reps, supporting any actions they suggest

Push for a viable candidate to run to left of Obama – Party of the 99.9%

Joinnwhen possible then send financial support on a monthly basis.

Follow their lead provide what they ask

Keep ALERT…turn out for gatherings that need support. TALK to others unlike ourselves. Get their message out.

Continue presenting issues to the masses but make them “local.” All politics are local. Education and awareness presented to the masses is the best tool for progressives and the “occupiers.”

Write letters to civic leaders, attend whenever possible.

Keep the message clear, try to involve ordinary people.

Collaborate

Refuse to be drawn into dead-end “lesser evil” politics.

Work behind the scenes to increase support in the media. Do all of below. Pressure on the elected officials.

Verbally, financially and when possible, physically

Any or all of the things listed below. It’s not as much as what you do, it’s more that you just do something.

Realize that a purposefully failed public education has made the message of the Occupy Movement unintelligible to a majority of Americans who are a product of such a purposefully failed system. Contemporaneous with all other action, a boycott of LAUSD and all public school districts like it is necessary, so that we can educate our future electorate as to the significance of what is taking place and how they as the majority can finally make themselves heard.

Give the Occupiers an OFA worksheet.

Not fence them in

See my response to questuon 2. Use the occupy movement as a catapult to initiate and increase pressure on elected officials relative to money in politics and other economic matters.

Create a third party!

Money, for one. Direct Action and similar projects continue to need support. I would be happy as a Progressive to continue to participate in GAs (perhaps weekly or on weekends since I have a night job), I’d be happy to facilitate teach-ins, technical messaging, marches, sit-ins as they occur. Maybe special projects for interested folks: homeless, get-money-out-of-politics, non-violence training?

We need labor, the middle class, teachers and average workers to be much more visible or else OWS will be relegated to the fringe and dismissed as such.

Donations and those living in the area to attend.

Get behind one goal and one message so this can have a positive effect on the next big election. If the Dems lose the White House, and a republican chooses the next Supreme Ct. Justice, all the progressive gains since FDR will be lost. The slogan this time around ought to be, “It’s the Supreme Court, stupid!”

Bring it back to local issues.

Call their elected representatives at ALL levels of government. Write letters. Talk to their friends and relatives. Correct the misrepresentations of others. Confront the lies of the 1%. Each according to his or her own ability. But if we don’t do it, who will?

By recruiting and reaching out to neighborhood people and get them turned on to the 99% concept and to believe they can make a difference. Many people just don’t believe and it shows at the voting booth. The communities of color need to be reached out to in new novel ways. Occupy people need to go in teams into neighborhoods and start turning people on to the big concept of Occupy Everything everywhere. Poor neighborhoods seldom get involved because they’ve been beat down so long they just don’t care or believe in a magical change. They must be proven wrong!

run for city council

On Sunday night, be there for when they start evicting. Strength in numbers.

Continue to support

Help to provide a statewide cohesive message that will resonate with other active groups.

W ith money. Go easy with the advice; they are doing a great job.

get involved in politics and ongoing organizations committed to social change. I hate to say it, but the 2012 elections are coming up, and it would be a terrible waste to throw that opportunity away and stay “pure” above the fray. We have too much to lose to let the right-wing dominate the outcome, and we have very much to gain with a shrewd deployment of our resources and our well-earned moral authority.

Get active politically to help elect progressive to local offices.

We need to show up physically and regularly. We need to write to the politicians in a cohesive manner. We need to provide the names of the groups we belong to, to show broad support of the movement. (Signs at the regular City Hall protests, for example.)

money, personal participation, etc.

BRING FOOD, WATER – AND PORTAPOTTIES

get on main stream T.V. to explain their issues and demands

Get politicians to stand with us and have Occupy movement take on some type of activism project while camping out to get out the vote or do something else in prep for our battles ahread.

Maybe it could be a rotating population. If everyone appeared sometimes, further adding to the number of occupiers, the message would be even more powerful.

Getting the word out and making known of the false promises

Just keep on doing what you are doing. The attention to the cause is working!

Work with them to develop effective strategies.

1st avoid co-opting, become facilitators and a medium for Occupy.

I like the recent idea I heard, I think from Mark Naison, about starting neighborhood “Occupy” clubs to support and amplify the Occupers’ work.

money to form a Lobby

Have a physical presence at Occupy sites. Provide education and historical context. Exploit all possible connections, progressive and otherwise to provide support and promote solidarity.

Show up at the encampment as much as possible, and contact the city to show support as much as possible

Just do it.

Give guidnace and a cause that is winnable. Ideas on trying to get something donw..I feel most Americans do not know what the Occupy movement is there or for what do they stand for.

Attend General Assembly meetings; help to balance a very small but active predatory element (pit bulls, dogs offleash, drug use…)

Share their message outside the Occupy camp, especially news outlets.

Published by the LA Progressive on December 2, 2011
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Comments

  1. Scott Peer says:

    For me the biggest thing going on with the movement was the inclusiveness. Homeless joined with all races and vets and every kind of person who came. Everyone seemed welcoming and welcomed. I think we need to keep having a reliable and predictable way to get together in person, and it has to have a way to include people who are not wired

  2. Steve Lamb says:

    Occupy LA should occupy EVERY LA City Council meeting. Fill the room. There is nothing electeds fear so much as a group of people who are looking at them as they make their dirty deals. They will “accidentally” learn all KINDS of things about what goes on. The City Council will be very uncomfortable with people who can not be bought off in the room hogging all the seats…They can’t really keep folks from sitting all day in a public meeting. With the protesters not being there for a specific item, the usual method of delaying what the public is most interested in until the end wont work. They then take up all the public comment time on homeless housing, economic justice, budget purfidity and so on. As they do so, they also submit petitions for redress, lawfully the City Council MUST hear and attend to those.

  3. Occupy is of course looking to create violence directed at them… so let’s not say that those trying to encourage violence are victims, ok?

    Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals:

    RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.

  4. L.A. mateo says:

    Please do your research. There were rubber bullets and severe injuries because of it. At least four victims of this.

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