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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.laprogressive.com/the-environment/obama%e2%80%99s-misfire-on-salazar-at-interior/comment-page-1/#comment-26402</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 03:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article, Jessica. Very disappointing pick. Looks like you were right and Salazar just announced that wolves in Yellowstone will be delisted from the endangered species act just as Bush started.

John

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.grizzlybay.org&quot;&gt;Information about grizzly bears&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article, Jessica. Very disappointing pick. Looks like you were right and Salazar just announced that wolves in Yellowstone will be delisted from the endangered species act just as Bush started.</p>
<p>John</p>
<p><a href="http://www.grizzlybay.org">Information about grizzly bears</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Weinstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Weinstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessica and Yoshidad have it right, at best.  

Obama&#039;s cabinet picks - at least Salazar for Interior and Vilsack for Agriculture -  are precisely what they seem - gratuitously injurious, for short-term-profit-as-usual and eco-immorality as usual.  Michael Pollan was right to protest Vilsack, whose selection and acceptance made no mention of ag policy as above all food policy.  Given the horrid impact of Vilsack&#039;s USA establishment agriculture - not only for inhumane treatment of animals, unbridled promotion of GMOs, and promotion of human disease - Dr Chu&#039;s assignment at Energy looks to be window-dressing.  

So Obamatically we can expect more Bush-ido.  As a couple of thrown bones to a &#039;progressive&#039; agenda (which in these two instances is scarcely progressive but equates just to economic survival) expect also some splashy token actions on what will be dubbed &#039;health care&#039; (e.g. to re-insure insurance companies) and on climate change (e.g. some gee-whiz energy demo technology).  

Obama obviously does NOT get it.  Our present unsustainable courses owe not merely to temporary deficiencies in budget priorities or to delays in arrival of panacea technology.  They owe rather to a combination of deliberately erroneous (and unethical) choices and actions in resource management and amazingly unenlightened and even masochistic greed in mass-promoted &#039;4F&#039; choices: on food, fuels, and other fads and fashions.   

Yes, I had higher hopes and donated to the campaign.  No doubt, by continuing to look a tad more intelligent than Bush, at term&#039;s end Obama will still look a tad better than would have the Palin-McCain option.  

All this is predictably and precisely yet another sad reason that we need a movement not confined to, nor focusing on,  merely urging nicer and more &#039;progressive&#039; policies on the USA&#039;s Constitutionally oligarchic legislature and King-for-Four-Years.  

Rather, we need need to do away with oligarchy altogether.  We need to be small-d democrats!  We need to stop venerating the nearly fossilized USA constitution and instead insist on its periodic modernization (per Jefferson 1816), at least in order to introduce more democracy at all levels.  

It makes little difference how our official oligarchy is created - whether by in-group appointment, or by expensive mass elections providing ordinary citizens a venerated constitutional show but not substance of power, or by other oligarchy-selection methods that are being sold as somehow more &#039;progressively correct&#039; (e. g. long-term legislators chosen by &#039;clean money&#039; or &#039;proportional representation&#039;).  

No matter how the oligarchy is chosen, Lord Acton&#039;s warning (1887) applies: the resulting concentration of power will tend to corrupt - i.e. lead otherwise nice people to sell out, for private advantage, sound public policy and the public good.  The reasons should be obvious:  - concentrated power provides, if not motive, then anyhow means and opportunity.  There are democratic decision-making methods which, by dispersing power, are far less or not at all corrupting. In particular, public policy decision and its precautionary review can and should be delegated to randomly selected or short-term-rotated citizen juries, so that no oligarchy of officials can long or indeed ever monopolize public-policy making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessica and Yoshidad have it right, at best.  </p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s cabinet picks &#8211; at least Salazar for Interior and Vilsack for Agriculture &#8211;  are precisely what they seem &#8211; gratuitously injurious, for short-term-profit-as-usual and eco-immorality as usual.  Michael Pollan was right to protest Vilsack, whose selection and acceptance made no mention of ag policy as above all food policy.  Given the horrid impact of Vilsack&#8217;s USA establishment agriculture &#8211; not only for inhumane treatment of animals, unbridled promotion of GMOs, and promotion of human disease &#8211; Dr Chu&#8217;s assignment at Energy looks to be window-dressing.  </p>
<p>So Obamatically we can expect more Bush-ido.  As a couple of thrown bones to a &#8216;progressive&#8217; agenda (which in these two instances is scarcely progressive but equates just to economic survival) expect also some splashy token actions on what will be dubbed &#8216;health care&#8217; (e.g. to re-insure insurance companies) and on climate change (e.g. some gee-whiz energy demo technology).  </p>
<p>Obama obviously does NOT get it.  Our present unsustainable courses owe not merely to temporary deficiencies in budget priorities or to delays in arrival of panacea technology.  They owe rather to a combination of deliberately erroneous (and unethical) choices and actions in resource management and amazingly unenlightened and even masochistic greed in mass-promoted &#8216;4F&#8217; choices: on food, fuels, and other fads and fashions.   </p>
<p>Yes, I had higher hopes and donated to the campaign.  No doubt, by continuing to look a tad more intelligent than Bush, at term&#8217;s end Obama will still look a tad better than would have the Palin-McCain option.  </p>
<p>All this is predictably and precisely yet another sad reason that we need a movement not confined to, nor focusing on,  merely urging nicer and more &#8216;progressive&#8217; policies on the USA&#8217;s Constitutionally oligarchic legislature and King-for-Four-Years.  </p>
<p>Rather, we need need to do away with oligarchy altogether.  We need to be small-d democrats!  We need to stop venerating the nearly fossilized USA constitution and instead insist on its periodic modernization (per Jefferson 1816), at least in order to introduce more democracy at all levels.  </p>
<p>It makes little difference how our official oligarchy is created &#8211; whether by in-group appointment, or by expensive mass elections providing ordinary citizens a venerated constitutional show but not substance of power, or by other oligarchy-selection methods that are being sold as somehow more &#8216;progressively correct&#8217; (e. g. long-term legislators chosen by &#8216;clean money&#8217; or &#8216;proportional representation&#8217;).  </p>
<p>No matter how the oligarchy is chosen, Lord Acton&#8217;s warning (1887) applies: the resulting concentration of power will tend to corrupt &#8211; i.e. lead otherwise nice people to sell out, for private advantage, sound public policy and the public good.  The reasons should be obvious:  &#8211; concentrated power provides, if not motive, then anyhow means and opportunity.  There are democratic decision-making methods which, by dispersing power, are far less or not at all corrupting. In particular, public policy decision and its precautionary review can and should be delegated to randomly selected or short-term-rotated citizen juries, so that no oligarchy of officials can long or indeed ever monopolize public-policy making.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 03:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of you are putting the cart before the horse.  Perhaps we should all wait and see exactly what happens before we jump off the bridge on this issue. Also, we need to give Obama some space as he begins to tackle the mess that has been left over from the last 8 years. Obama is a smart man. If he sees that things are not going right in this area, I am sure that he will take steps to correct the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of you are putting the cart before the horse.  Perhaps we should all wait and see exactly what happens before we jump off the bridge on this issue. Also, we need to give Obama some space as he begins to tackle the mess that has been left over from the last 8 years. Obama is a smart man. If he sees that things are not going right in this area, I am sure that he will take steps to correct the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Yoshidad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yoshidad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is fairly typical of Obama&#039;s choices. They are mighty weak tea, unless his version of &quot;change&quot; is of &quot;The more things change, the more they stay the same&quot; variety. 

You can see this same tendency in his appointments of Wall St. insiders/deregulators to Treasury, and economics advisory positions, in his appointment of a hawk like Hillary to State Dept., in his appointment of Vilsack to Agriculture (my vote for the worst choice), etc. 

The only hopeful sign I can see is that he&#039;s got a real scientist at Energy. 

I&#039;m not that sympathetic to the notion that Obama can, like Lincoln, manage to herd this &quot;team of rivals&quot; in a different direction than they&#039;re already headed, too. Even Lincoln deferred to his cabinet. 

Lincoln&#039;s worst decision: sticking to the 160 acre homesteading rule when California&#039;s dry farming required far larger parcels to be viable. This meant the crooks had to assemble parcels homesteaded by drunks and drifters to make the California ranching oligarchy that persists until today. &quot;Honest Abe&quot; did this at the request of one of his cabinet members.

The danger here is that Obama will believe progressives are a constituency he can take for granted. Nader and Kucinich have been telling us he&#039;s the more they say the same since the beginning. We&#039;ve been the victims of our own wishful thinking here. 

And for heaven&#039;s sake, let&#039;s protest these choices rather than Rick Warren (a distraction, IMHO).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is fairly typical of Obama&#8217;s choices. They are mighty weak tea, unless his version of &#8220;change&#8221; is of &#8220;The more things change, the more they stay the same&#8221; variety. </p>
<p>You can see this same tendency in his appointments of Wall St. insiders/deregulators to Treasury, and economics advisory positions, in his appointment of a hawk like Hillary to State Dept., in his appointment of Vilsack to Agriculture (my vote for the worst choice), etc. </p>
<p>The only hopeful sign I can see is that he&#8217;s got a real scientist at Energy. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not that sympathetic to the notion that Obama can, like Lincoln, manage to herd this &#8220;team of rivals&#8221; in a different direction than they&#8217;re already headed, too. Even Lincoln deferred to his cabinet. </p>
<p>Lincoln&#8217;s worst decision: sticking to the 160 acre homesteading rule when California&#8217;s dry farming required far larger parcels to be viable. This meant the crooks had to assemble parcels homesteaded by drunks and drifters to make the California ranching oligarchy that persists until today. &#8220;Honest Abe&#8221; did this at the request of one of his cabinet members.</p>
<p>The danger here is that Obama will believe progressives are a constituency he can take for granted. Nader and Kucinich have been telling us he&#8217;s the more they say the same since the beginning. We&#8217;ve been the victims of our own wishful thinking here. </p>
<p>And for heaven&#8217;s sake, let&#8217;s protest these choices rather than Rick Warren (a distraction, IMHO).</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 04:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the article will get to OBAMA somehow and he can demand the changes needed to protect our wildlife. I hope so. I really enjoyed Jessica&#039;s article. It&#039;s amazing at the knowledge she has and such a heart and passion for the animals. God Bless her!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the article will get to OBAMA somehow and he can demand the changes needed to protect our wildlife. I hope so. I really enjoyed Jessica&#8217;s article. It&#8217;s amazing at the knowledge she has and such a heart and passion for the animals. God Bless her!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing article!  It really saddens me that Obama picked this cowboy instead of the progressive Grijalva.  I&#039;m very disappointed in many of Obama&#039;s cabinet picks but the Salazar pick is the most upsetting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing article!  It really saddens me that Obama picked this cowboy instead of the progressive Grijalva.  I&#8217;m very disappointed in many of Obama&#8217;s cabinet picks but the Salazar pick is the most upsetting.</p>
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