Friday Feedback: They Take Our Money and P__s on Our Boots

istock_000001483014xsmall.jpgFridays the LA Progressive features a comment that was particularly noteworthy. This week we are featuring a comment submitted by Hollis Stewart commenting on “Massachusetts Debacle,” by John Peeler.

Here’s Hollis’s comment:

Rahm Emmanuel said a few months ago that the administration wasn’t concerned about Progressives because “they have no (other) place to go” or some such. Well, yes they and I do have other places to go. The money that I donated to Obama and other Democrats can stay in my pocket, go to MoveOn, and/or go to progressive candidates who will stay with the program that got them elected when they win.

Two nights ago some right wing acquaintances accosted me at a meeting and were chortling because they were pulling for Brown and thought he would win. I fought back saying that we need national healthcare, (medicare for all), the EFCA, and other really progressive policies to be enacted and implemented and that the rich should be taxed to pay for the changes. They then said that I was for “class warfare” because that is what taxing the wealthy means. I responded that when the rich, Dems and GOPers, attack medical care, SSI, unions, and other progressive agendas that are to benefit the poor and the working class middle income population it is “class war” and bring it on.

I honestly must say that I don’t care if the rich live or die just so their money is seized and used for the commonweal. When the rich and their minions such as Rahm Emanuel prevent medicare for all, cut social programs and work to benefit the wealthy then they are killing people like me, my friends and social class, and my parents who died quite poor after a long life of very hard work. If the Demos won’t work for the people then we have to work to create a party that will. They take our money and then p__s on our boots. Enough.


  1. says

    Friends at LA Progressives a few days ago I had a second conversation with the person who chose to p-_s on my boot. Actually I was trying to get some civility back into our conversation about the election in Massachusetts and what it might mean for the country. My belief was that if I took a bit of a conciliatory pose then we could get beyond “class war”. However that was not to be and instead the following took place. I approached my friend and said, “Well, it got a bit heated last night when we were talking about today’s election in Massachusetts, but I hope that we are still friends and can continue to work well together.” I thought that was pretty self effacing although I didn’t and won’t say I was wrong because I was not but I wanted to “get along, go along”.

    “Sure we can work together, but you know you are wrong for attacking wealth and wealthy people and wanting to tax them.”, he responded. “Wealthy people are the ones who support this country and the rest of the people owe them for that.”

    Well I couldn’t let that go so I said, still in a conciliatory mood, “Look, we can’t agree on everything but I think we can agree on this: The wealth of a society and the civility in society depends on the social contract and everyone, pretty much, going along with it. People want to have a decent place to live, social peace, health and education, national defense and all those things and they must be paid for in some way and taxes are pretty much that way. But, the wealth of society is based on the work of the people creating things that are of value and part of that value is paid in taxes. The wealthy sitting on top take most of the value created by working people as their own so they should pay more taxes since they benefit more from the provision of services by the nation through government. Again, only the work of people creates wealth: minerals in the earth, trees on the land, and so forth aren’t wealth until they are mined, milled, and used in industrial production or other activity. I guess we can agree on that?”

    My acquaintance responded and reacted, “Well, you are attacking the wealthy again for taking advantage of others, for taking wealth. They create wealth to as bankers and so forth.”

    “No they do not. They live off the wealth created in the process of production. They are just paper shufflers who grab the wealth made by the working people. I know a lot about accounting, finance and other things since I was an “A” student in those areas and tutored others.” [I did not break down how in accounting there are profit centers and cost centers. Profit centers are those parts of business that create wealth through the production of goods and sometimes services. Cost centers are those areas that consume parts of the wealth in doing business but do not in themselves create any wealth — these areas are in fact parasitical. However, even in our lifetime there has been an effort by business to turn “cost centers” into “profit centers” by getting government regulation or deregulation in some cases that allows and or mandates all sorts of services for which “fees” can be charged, think of all the fees that one pays in the preparation of a mortgage for a property sale or for other banking, credit or other business fees, fees and services that no one can even explain in many cases.] “Now, you are attacking government for being too expensive and requiring too much tax, yet the wealthy are getting richer and richer. The problem is that your conservatives, starting with Reagan have expedited the removal of the wealth producing production off our shores and to low wage places like China, India, Mexico and now to Africa and other places in Asia. So we have been left with a de-industrialized skeleton of an economy that is not producing wealth and is being exploited by the banks and financial sectors that screw us while selling us the goods that are manufactured abroad. American workers are being forced to compete for jobs at the lowest cost against workers in China, India and other countries. We can’t work for the labor costs that are being paid to people in those countries. If I had to work for the wages being paid in those places then I couldn’t pay my mortgage, put food on my table and have medical care for my family and me. We just can’t live that way. You must see that — you are an intelligent and astute businessman,or so I have been told.”

    “Hollis, I agree that is has become harder and that there are a lot of people who are unemployed, but if they would work for less and make the sacrifices necessary they could get along. Not as well, but they could get along.”

    “Jack, they can not. Working families already often have both parents working if they can find work. But because wages have steadily shrunk since the first Reagan administration and the attack on unions, breaking the PATCO strike, families are losing their homes in foreclosures, can’t maintain health care, and if one wage earner loses their jobs the whole family suffers. They just can’t work for what people subsist on in low wage foreign countries, I couldn’t do it and you couldn’t do it. My grand daughter is just 20, how is she going to have a working life and be able to afford to live with dignity and the same can be said for the students that I helped educate at the community college that I retired from a couple of years ago. What do we tell them?”

    “Well Hollis, we live in a country where people can make their own decisions about their lives instead of the government making decisions for them. You could make the decision to move to India, China, or a country in Africa and get a job there instead of living in the United States. Your grand daughter and others could do the same, she and they have that right.”, Jack asserted. I could hardly believe what I had heard — someone actually telling me that I could leave my homeland, the USA and work for slave wages in a low wage country somewhere else in the world. That I have a right to leave!

    Now I was just plain pissed, “Jack, that ain’t going to happen. My family helped build this country and this is my country. I am not going anywhere and neither are other working people. This is our home and we will not be forced out of it so that the rich can continue to live off the fat of the land. No, I will fight right here. This is where I make my stand. The rich are the ones who must change and pay their fair share in the taxes needed to support the nation and the things necessary for that including education, health care, housing and so forth.”

    So, progressive friends, this is what we are up against. You may have friends with some wealth and you may not think they are like this but they probably are. When it gets down to brass tacks, the wealthy take care of themselves. We must organize if we are going to have an America for the masses of people and not just for the comfort of the elites. We have to take care of ourselves!

  2. Marc McCune says

    sheesh…the author is a communist and just as I was about to respond, here I got and read Smith’s off the rails opus of a rant, complete with wacko conspiracy theories. I thought I was reading a serious publication here.

  3. jacksmith says

    A LINE IN THE SAND – From jacksmith – WorkingClass

    My Fellow Americans and People Of The World

    A strong Government-run MEDICARE like Public Option is STILL! CRITICAL!

    We have had a long hard struggle to find out what would be the BEST! that this congress and the Whitehouse could do to fix our highly dangerous, poor quality, most costly, and MOST! disgraceful healthcare delivery system in the world. It is clear that congress can do much more for the American people than what is proposed so far.

    It is clear that congress can pass a strong GOVERNMENT-run public option CHOICE. Available to everyone on day one. Expand Medicare and not levy any new taxes on workers healthcare benefits and plans. LET THIS BE YOUR LINE IN THE SAND!

    Lastly, there can be NO! INDIVIDUAL MANDATES without a strong Government-run MEDICARE like Public Option CHOICE. Or the American people WILL! and SHOULD! revolt with an all out CIVIL WAR against congress and this Government.

    House and Senate progressives and the tri-caucuses should aggressively push for the inclusion of a strong Public Option, Medicare expansion, and no new taxes on workers healthcare benefits and plans. If the obstructionist kill meaningful healthcare reform, then you should kill this bill. Because it will be far worse than the healthcare disaster we have now. It’s failure will be on the obstructionist heads. And they will be punished and replaced.


    What is proposed in the Senate bill is the worst case scenario for health-care reform. It would shift trillions of taxpayer, public and private dollars into the hands of the private insurance industry (The single most costly, deadly and dangerous product sold in America). And it would compel by law millions of Americans to financially support this oxymoronic criminal enterprise. You cant have a individual MANDATE WITHOUT A STRONG PUBLIC OPTION CHOICE!

    You will have NO! realistic way of controlling cost and quality. Cost will continue soaring through the roof bleeding the American people dry, and KILLing our economy. And our quality of healthcare will continue to decline below our current ranking of “WORST! quality of healthcare delivery in the developed World”.

    From the very start, the American people have been crystal clear about what they wanted. They wanted a humane single payer system like the rest of the developed world has (HR676). Or at least a humane strong GOVERNMENT-run public option CHOICE!! This is what the American people gave the democrats control of the house, control of the senate, and control of the Whitehouse to do.

    Those of you that can, should prepare now to remove every member of congress that fails to support YOUR healthcare reform with a strong Public Option, Medicare expansion, and no new taxes on workers healthcare benefits and plans. Run against them in teams if you have to. But take them out. And replace them with a strong single payer or PRO PUBLIC OPTION CHOICE candidate.

    Now! is the time to bring maximum pressure on your members of congress. Contact your representatives and spread the word.

    The Public Option


    I have to tell you now that the H1N1 virus is a man-made WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION! and TERROR! It is a WEAPONIZED version of a flu virus. It has swept the planet infecting millions. And causing a global pandemic that has killed tens of thousands, and injured millions.

    The H1N1 virus is the product of the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! It was released in the U.S. in Texas in early January of last year, but not recognized until around April 2009 in California. The reason I know this is because when it came to America, it came to see me FIRST! How sweet…

    This was around the time the MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! assaulted the Whitehouse with all their devils deals to cripple and weaken YOUR! healthcare reform. Especially your right to have a single payer system like HR676 (Medicare For All) which most of you wanted.

    They don’t even want you to have your HUGE!!! compromise position of a strong government-run MEDICARE like Public Option CHOICE. To compete with their DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, MURDEROUS, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT PRODUCT (The single most costly, deadly and dangerous product sold in America).

    They also wanted to take away your rights to have your government meet it’s responsibility to use it’s full power to regulate, negotiate, and control drug cost, healthcare cost and quality. Something every other civilized country in the developed World has done for it’s people. Their Greed! moral degeneracy and lack of patriotism knows no bounds.

    Many of you will remember that before we knew about H1N1. I posted a open message to the President and Congress warning them to be vigilant about their health, and cautious about any medical advice they received. As I said then “they will not hesitate to try and hurt you”.

    The U.S. and the World have been under a BIOLOGICAL TERROR ATTACK! for over a year now. It is CRITICAL that We The People Of The United States take away control of our healthcare system from the GREED DRIVEN MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!

    For our own National security, and the security of the world.

    A Strong, government-run, MEDICARE like Public Option CHOICE. Available to everyone on day one, with the full unfettered power of the federal government to regulate, negotiate, and control cost and quality. Would be the most workable way to deal with this global crisis at this time. Including patent suspensions as needed for national security or the greater good.

    As an American I invite the peoples of the World to help us fix our healthcare crisis. And bring pressure on our government to meet it’s responsibility to protect global security by controlling, and removing the corrupting influence of GREED and the PRIVATE FOR PROFIT motivations from healthcare in the U.S. and around the World.

    I call on the governments of the World and the global intelligence community to track down these MASS MURDERERS, and bring them to justice. CONNECT THE DOTS! And be vigilant that they don’t slip in another viral strain on you under the cloak of H1N1 sequestration.

    Further, the proposed patent protection on biologic’s must be stripped from the US bill. And greatly shorten/restricted, or abolished completely. This is a grave danger to humanity and global security.

    I think President Obama is doing the best he can at playing the disastrous deck of cards he inherited from the previous administration. And I think he is doing an excellent job. But the wolves and devils of the medical industrial complex! are trying to exploit, and take advantage of his good heart, and desperate desire to help suffering Americans. But we must be strong and insist that healthcare reform be done right for the American people. Or everyone loose’s.

    This is all I can say in a message post. I’ll try to find a way to tell you more later.

    God Bless You My Fellow Human Beings

    jacksmith – Working Class

    p.s. The so-called nominal H1N1 virus is designed in such a way as to make it more lethal to children and young adults. The medical community must be more vigilant of secondary bacterial infections in the young caused by H1N1. And remember, a viral infection is also a transfer of genetic code to you. Think about it, and be vigilant. :-(


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