Make no mistake: without Bernie Sanders on the ticket as the VP candidate, Clinton and the Democrats will probably go down in flames. With him, Trump loses badly. On the other hand, what a great vice president he would be, because as President of the Senate, he would be able to advance a great progressive agenda.
When I first read the inevitable, that Bernie Sanders had endorsed Clinton in New Hampshire, one of his strongest states, I went into mourning. The mourning period lasted for about 12 minutes. Even the Washington Post said it sounded like he was continuing the fight.
I don’t see a way Clinton can win without Bernie Sanders as her running mate. As repulsive as that has sounded in the past, this might be an inexorable truth, which may become clear to Clinton as time goes on, especially as her credibility woes and legal baggage increase.
I don’t see a way Clinton can win without Bernie Sanders as her running mate. As repulsive as that has sounded in the past, this might be an inexorable truth, which may become clear to Clinton as time goes on, especially as her credibility woes and legal baggage increase.
The pundits may speculate endlessly about this new development, but I must go on record right here and now to say that I don’t see a way Clinton can win without Bernie Sanders as her running mate. As repulsive as that has sounded in the past, this might be an inexorable truth, which may become clear to Clinton as time goes on, especially as her credibility woes and legal baggage increase.
Sanders’ June speech was titled “The Political Revolution Continues.” This one in New Hampshire was more conciliatory: “This campaign is about the needs of the American people and addressing the very serious crises that we face,” he added, with Clinton nodding at his side. “And there is no doubt in my mind that, as we head into November, Hillary Clinton is far and away the best candidate to do that.”
There is no one other than Sanders that has the ideological pull, the candidate’s charisma, and the devoted followers, who might mourn and/or gag for 12 minutes like I did, and then move on to the Real Politik and realize that as President of the Senate, one of the major functions of the Vice President, Bernie’s ability to further advance his plans and reforms would make a quantum leap from platform planks to actual legislation.
I am a member of some 800 Facebook Bernie Groups, some of which are virulently anti-Hillary. I will spare you the names of the groups, but suffice it to say that if he is not on the ticket, a lot of the people on those groups will go for Jill Stein, or will write Bernie’s name in. On the other hand, such a Clinton-Sanders ticket would pick up most of the Sanders supporters, I would surmise, about 80-85% thereof.
He didn’t convince me today to vote for Hillary Clinton, not at all. I have devoted months and thousands of hours to researching and writing about election rigging, vote “flipping,” and, what I know the most about, the voter purges in New York State. I wrote a petition on Moveon.org that almost 7000 people signed, asking the Attorney General of New York, Eric Schneiderman, to go to Federal Court to get an order for a new primary for New York. That was ignored, as were the hundreds of letters to the crusading US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Preet Bharara, asking the same thing.
As a last resort, we turned to Bernie’s campaign lawyer, Brad Deutsch, sending him several hundred emails from many still devoted to the apparently naïve concept that elections should be honest and clean, and those, too, I regret to say, were ignored. We had held out, hoping that either before the convention or at the convention, these grave concerns would be aired, but that is not going to happen, I am sad to say, not by the victim of these stolen elections, anyway, Bernie Sanders himself. Maybe that is what it really boils down to for Bernie: how to help the American people to whom he is so deeply devoted, the voiceless, the poor, and even a few of the disenfranchised, by putting aside personal ambition and going for the greater good.
Maybe even the Republicans and Trump himself will allow all of those rigged primaries to be swept under the rug. Maybe even the Right Wing Radio Talk show hosts will ignore them in toto. Maybe I and those 7000 signers of the moveon.org petition were just too naïve and too hopeful that something as unprecedented as a Federal court order for a state primary to be entirely redone, with monitors and safeguards, as if New York had become a Third World nation, could actually happen.
We will have to learn to be silent, but cannot forget what happened, nor should we ever forget this hijacked election that proved so important in the scheme of things. It is like the Emperor’s New Clothes, or perhaps more like the DNC ushering all of the lemmings to jump off the cliff.
If Bernie Sanders is not to be the Democratic Vice Presidential candidate, it will be a long drop for all of those lemmings, and we will have 4 or 8 years of Donald Trump. Not only would Hillary lose, but it would be the end of the Democratic Party for decades.
On the other hand, if Bernie were the VP candidate, there would be a coattails effect and many of the Bernie Congressional Candidates would pull through to victory.
I am not a soothsayer, nor an apparatchik, nor a defeatist trying to make the best of a defeat. I know enough about the Senate that I can accurately predict that Sanders would make a brilliant and very active Vice President of the United States. Clinton is a smart woman, and may in due course recognize that her election depends on Bernie Sanders being on the ticket.
If she hasn’t by now, her counselors should tell her, and certainly this message should show up in thousands of letters to the editor all over the United States, as the Battle of the Editorial page continues.
Brief History of the US Vice President: Vice Presidents who Became President
- John Adams, elected president in 1796, lost reelection in 1800
- Thomas Jefferson, elected president in 1800, won reelection in 1804
- Martin Van Buren, elected president in 1836, lost reelection in 1840
- John Tyler, became president in 1841 when William Henry Harrison died in office, did not seek election in 1844
- Millard Fillmore, became president in 1850 when Zachary Taylor died in office, did not seek election in 1852, lost election in 1856
- Andrew Johnson, became president in 1865 when Abraham Lincoln was assassinated in office, did not seek election in 1868
- Chester A. Arthur, became president in 1881 when James A. Garfield was assassinated in office, did not seek election in 1884
- Theodore Roosevelt, became president in 1901 when William McKinley was assassinated in office, elected in 1904, did not seek reelection in 1908, lost election in 1912
- Calvin Coolidge, became president in 1923 when Warren G. Harding died in office, elected in 1924, did not seek reelection in 1928
- Harry S. Truman, became president in 1945 when Franklin D. Roosevelt died in office, elected in 1948, did not seek reelection in 1952
- Lyndon B. Johnson, became president in 1963 when John F. Kennedy was assassinated in office, elected in 1964, dropped reelection bid in 1968
- Richard Nixon, elected president in 1968, won reelection in 1972
- Gerald Ford, became president in 1974 when Richard Nixon resigned from office, lost election in 1976
- George H. W. Bush, elected president in 1988, lost reelection in 1992
- Of the nine vice presidents who ascended to the presidency after their predecessor’s death or resignation, only 4 were subsequently elected in their own right: Theodore Roosevelt, Calvin Coolidge, Harry S. Truman, and Lyndon B. Johnson.
- Only 3 vice presidents have been elected president once, and then defeated in reelection: John Adams, Martin Van Buren, and George H.W. Bush.
- Only 2 vice presidents have ever been elected and reelected president: Thomas Jefferson and Richard Nixon (only Jefferson served two full terms).
- Richard Nixon is the only one on this list who was not serving as vice president when he was elected.
- Gerald Ford was the only vice president who became president by ascension, secured his party’s nomination, and then lost in the general election.
Vice presidents who later served in other offices:
- John C. Calhoun, US Senator and US Secretary of State
- Richard M. Johnson, Kentucky House of Representatives
- John Tyler, Provisional Confederate States Congress
- George M. Dallas, US Ambassador to Great Britain
- John C. Breckinridge, US Senator and Confederate States Secretary of War
- Hannibal Hamlin, US Senator and US Ambassador to Spain
- Andrew Johnson, US Senator
- Levi P. Morton, Governor of New York
- Thomas R. Marshall, United States Coal Commission
- Charles G. Dawes, US Ambassador to Great Britain, Chairman of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation
- Henry Wallace, US Secretary of Commerce
- Alben W. Barkley, US Senator
- Hubert H. Humphrey, US Senator
- Walter F. Mondale, US Ambassador to Japan
It is vital in a Democracy to let the people speak, as this compilation of responses does here now. This concept of participatory democracy goes back to the earliest days of Athens and Pericles, and even before. In this article about Bernie as VP, I have posited an idea I feel very strongly about, and am here presenting the reactions thereunto. Vice President is a powerful position in that the powers include President of the Senate, and Bernie might find that attractive given his vast legislative agenda and the chance to get passed long overdue and desperately needed reforms in America.
Of course, this all depends on what happens at the Convention, but I want the idea to be out there to some extent, so that the Democratic National Committee cannot continue to blindside our voting base, with no impunity, as if they were ushers to the millions of lemmings they are leading to jump off the cliff, or as if they were the swindlers in the Emperor’s New Clothes.
This has been the case thus far, and the complicity of the “lamestream” media has worsened matters, most egregiously in the New York based media, which has been almost totally oblivious to the hijacking and causes and of those responsible for the voter purgings in that state, as have the key law enforcement officials in that 21st Century Tammany Hall that New York has devolved into.
Let’s get real here, folks! Bernie might have won the whole thing if the so-called “victory” in New York had not been thrown into his path. When the historians take apart this election, they will see how true this was, and, further, that this was the dirtiest election in American History in many decades, full of enough dirty tricks to fill several volumes.
Thoughts on Bernie as Vice President
If there are no attributions to Facebook groups as the source of the comment, then the comment came from one of the 6700 signers of the petition to New York’s Attorney General for a redo of the NY Primary. I originally wanted to publish ALL of the comments but that wasn’t possible, so here they are.
Kristan Hill-Love in California Grassroots Organizing: We can only hope. Hoping. I wouldn’t find it selling out. I would find this Sanders at his best constantly chastising Clinton to stay straight and not becoming more corporatist and sadly corrupt as VP Bernie would constantly be kicking Hillary in the a– to improve.
Dan Hutchinson in Bernie Sanders: Advice and Strategies to Win! LBJ said the VP job was where some politicians go to die.
Dianne Douthat: As there is a very limited job description for the VP (other than presiding over/breaking Senate ties), it’s very possible that Clinton’s VP could be irrelevant after the campaign ends. I’d hate to see Sanders hog-tied by the restraints of his office. In the Senate, on the other hand, Bernie( and hopefully Warren– same reasoning about VP makes me want her in the Senate)can work together from the Leg. branch to keep HRC and the DNC accountable for their platform by what they do/say, and by activating us, their Progressive Army. (As VP, if the Boss told Bernie to shut up– what choice/power would he have, as part of the Executive branch??)
Lydia Melendez: I can’t see Bernie even excepting VP. I think the Movement has moved on to a third party, the Convention will tell the fate, but we are ready to move on, out of the Dem Party completely..
Andy Ball: She won’t pick him and VP and he won’t do it. I find it incredulous that Bernie is so naive that he’s not aware of how much she is despised by the electorate.
Katherine Treffi: As much as I can like that this is an alternative, I like it. I hate that Hillary would be president. She scares me. I think her lack of control and sociopathic tendencies could lead us right into a world war with Russia and China. I would like to see Bernie in a position of as much power as possible. And if by some miracle they go into investigating the Clinton Foundation the whole house of cards would fall and Bernie would be President. I would, unfortunately, vote that ticket. I don’t know if Bernie wants the job, however. I would be just desserts that he become President of the Senate.
Colleen Caddell commenting in Uncensored Progressives: Anger and outrage at the DNC is palpable, and thousands have made their minds up that, under NO circumstances, will they vote for Hillary if she wins the Democratic nomination. I am still and will remain steadfastly behind Bernie, and will wait till the very end results of the convention, before heeding his far-reaching vision for America. Which is to rally behind the Democratic Party, NO MATTER who’s the nominee, in order to keep Trump from becoming President. THAT! Is our worse-case scenario…
Suzanne Chowla in Missouri Progressives: Bernie is still a Senator (his current term does not end until January 2019, and he may run for one subsequent 6 year term). If he does run, he will certainly win another term from 2019 through 2024 (at which point, he’d be 85, so one final Senate term will be it). He has done a GREAT job in the Senate for Vermont (and for the whole country), Vermont adores him, and they will re-elect him if he wants another term.
If the Dems take back control of the Senate in November (which is likely), Bernie will be the Chair of the Senate Budget Committee. He will be able to do a lot of good for the American people there. His work in the Senate has always made me proud that I supported both his Senate campaigns (from CA, because he’s the Senator I MOST wanted to be in the Senate working for me). He will also have additional influential committee positions, enhanced by merit of the Democratic Party taking back control of the Senate, which makes it more possible for him to advance the issues dear to our political revolution.
Warren Woodge Thank you for your attempts to preserve what’s left of American democracy. Sanders is still running. He ‘endorsed’ her in name only, because the DNC requires candidates to endorse the nominee or lose their delegates & be banned from the convention. Bernie knows what he is doing. He is still going to the convention to contest their nomination.
DiAnn Walkinshaw: She has so much garbage she’s dragging around that that might be a very opportune spot for him to be in?
Liz Amsden: To reach a mainstream audience, from whom you will need to obtain the support to promote Sanders as VP, I would tone down the anti-Hillary sentiment so her supporters don’t tune out. Build on what Bernie legitimately brings to the table including his integrity, that he has consistently tested best of all candidates running against the Republicans, that he has the support of other demographics, that he can turn out the young vote, etc..
Fred Feldman: I could live with Bernie as veep, but prefer president on the Green party ticket.
Gabrielle Dolphin: This is a good article and a good idea. I’ve heard floated the idea with Bernie as VP, HRC DOES get indicting and Bernie takes over. I never imagined Bernie would run as VP with HRC…but today, I wonder. It surely looks like HRC can’t win with Bernie. Since Bernie has not conceded, nor suspended his campaign, I’m feeling like things can still “pop” unexpectedly. Over all, it never hurts to float ideas…we’ve reached that point in time where we’ve crossed the Rubicon and are now in uncharted waters. Just my take on the situation…there are surely others with far more insight than I.
Linda Springer Spellman: He said he wouldn’t be accepting any position from her. Instead, he’s going to run for his Senate seat again in 2018. I hope he would’t run as her VP, because then maNY of his supporters may vote for her. I think voting for her sends the wrong message that it’s OK to reward bad behavior as long as Trump loses. I can’t do that.
Malcolm Burn: There seems to be some lack of understanding amongst the general public regarding what role other than symbolic that the VP plays in a functional way so I’m always interested. I recall from my history books that Teddy Roosevelt was devastated to be handed the role. Only fortune played into his hand when he became President due to the untimely death of President William McKinley. I personally am not wishing for a similar turn of events in order for Bernie to become President. I recall that the Republican party gave the VP spot to TR in an effort to neutralize his growing power as a populist figure. Bernie would be better off remaining influential as a senator rather than trading his job in for a “figurehead” position.
Phyllis Lafferty: Thanks for that excellent article — I must say when I first read it was VERY hard to swallow — Bernie as Queenie’s VP —- but it would give us more hope, especially if – and that is a BIG if (perhaps even HUGE if) one of these many lawsuits FINALLY produces the needed results to send her to the big house —- then there would be OUR president. I wish I’d only mourned for 12 minutes — it has been much longer for me and I’m still VERY angry. So, I and probably a few more million Bernie supporters need all the positives you can give us. Again – Thanks
Jason Edwards commented on your post in Northeast Ohio Progressives.
The notion that Bernie Sanders does not know what he is doing is just not true. He knows exactly what he is doing
Yvonne Landry: I agree.
Cindy Conry: I like your thinking in that without him on the ticket, she hasn’t a chance. However, I also don’t think that she wound pick anyone as ethical as Bernie. She would ALWAYS have to watch her back because her history shows scandal after scandal. Changing ones behavior is not easy. First you have to recognize the behavior and admit it. I don’t think she is capable of that. Therefore it’s a great hope, but no.
John Lanza: I agree. Bernie would transform the VP position and use it as a bully pulpit to rally his army to action. I don’t know if Clinton can swallow her pride enough to do it
James McShane: Hillary is an idiot not to name Bernie VP
Joan Banach: I couldn’t agree with you more. I am not sure that I mourn, but it is a dispiriting and sadness and disbelief of a profound nature when I see Bernie Sanders onstage with Clinton – knowing, believing, how hard it was to do what he had to do. Post Sanders private tête–tête with Obama, sanders entire demeanor changed. I don’t know what was said, but it marked a quantum change in his energy. His effort to reconcile and go forward is something heroic.
The DNC is a dead, corrupt, and dysfunctional organization in my view. I was appalled by their treatment of Sanders, and by their blind stupidity. I have been a lifelong democrat, but I plan to reregister as an independent when this charade, this disaster of an election is over. Thanks for sending me this fine letter. MSNBC would have us believe that all of Sanders supporters are on the Hillary train. Not by a long chalk.
It is written well but…1) None of us would still vote for HER even if he were VP and we would simply lose every last bit of respect for Bernie.
2) Bernie did NOT concede.
DNC Rules state that he must endorse her or his delegates do not get to speak at the convention. FDR did this too and went on to win. Bernie has had a conference call with his delegates and asked that they all still vote for him at the convention. Do not give up. We have until after the convention and then we can plan B if we must.
Thomas Goodfellow: First of all thank you for trying to right the wrongs of the flawed 2016 NY Democratic Presidential Primary. I think your op-ed should be published. I agree there are many Bernie supporters who would enthusiastically accept a ticket including Bernie as VP the candidate. I agree it would be a smart move to bring Bernie supporters over to the ticket.
Personally, I don’t think that is going to happen. I have thought a Jeff Merkeley candidacy would be a real unifier. He seems to be respected by Bernie supporters and the Clinton establishment. Bernie will still be a US Senator with a considerable mandate that cannot be ignored. I think he would be more effective there as a moral compass. I’d prefer to see him maintain his independence. Let the other folks sink or swim in their barren fallow. I expect Bernie will continue to stand as a conscience for the people.
Bobbie Oakland: I think you have probably come as close to future reality as one can, given there is no reliable hard data to draw from in order to make a solid prediction. We can only rely on our own gut feelings and the snippets of emotion on Twitter and elsewhere that range from total outrage against Bernie, to resignation, to continued hope in a revolution. I agree that Bernie’s supporters, for a very large part, will abandon the Democratic Party and anyone associated with it because that is what I will do. And I also think that Bernie as VP is Hillary’s only hope to ensure victory. Otherwise, Bernie supporters will scatter to the wind.
There is one more horrifying consideration. Trump is vetting Newt Gingrich for VP. If he chooses him, and wins, and then walks out having satisfied his ego-based desire to win and then his showman’s urge to shock (which I believe he will do), we would be left with a truly horrifying reality: President Gingrich. This is worse than President Clinton. We are not in a good place and can only pray that Hillary will wait on her VP choice until after Trump announces his. Glad I live in Europe.
Diane Gatley: I would’ve voted for her over Trump except for this fraudulent election. I could not see Bernie accepting the position as her Vice President, but he might, as he has humbled himself so much already. And, I believe, as you do, that it is the only way I would vote for her. There are a lot of us out here that feel as I do. It would make the difference in us going for Stein, Trump or no vote if Bernie was on the ticket. Good job, Stephen!
Marcia Kirschbaum: I love your passion. Your letter is well written. Foremost, I am still of the belief that Bernie could very well end up with the nomination, via the convention. HRC has way too much baggage, negative ratings, etc… And the DNC cares MUCH more about beating the Republican Party than it does crowning her, in the long run, so don’t be so quick to rule that out. They are trying to shove her down our throats, but this forced by the DNC rules endorsement has only made us all that much more determined to get Bernie and his down ticket alliances to the finish line.
Secondly, Bernie has a much better offer from Jill Stein, which has multiple benefits:
- We finally bring a badly needed Third Party to the table
- First Female VP might still, in this not so “evolved” era, be easier to swallow than first Female President for too many – we are still far from being an enlightened nation in many parts of the country.
- Jill would be a worthy president and in turn will also be a worthy Veep. This Bernie/Jill combo will seriously be unbeatable.
- If Bernie is ready to hand off the torch in 4 years, Jill will only be 70 and have a great chance at picking up where he left off without missing a beat, as the first Female President AND we end up with potentially 12 years – which still isn’t enough – to turn things around.
My final thought is I just can’t see that Bernie could work under HRC’s thumb and it might actually tarnish his image in the long run, because as you know, nothing is her fault. She’d run him under the bus anytime and anywhere, as she has already done throughout this campaign. Might be wrong, but you asked! Thanks for asking me my thoughts. I’m flattered.
Tamara Myers; I am 58 and have been a lifelong Democrat. I will not vote for Hillary even if Bernie is her VP. I will vote for ANYONE who can beat her in the election.
Sheridan Lorraine commented on your post in Ohio Progressives: I agree. If either Trump or Hillary is President, we need as many strong, experienced progressives in the House and Senate as possible. For that reason, I really don’t want Bernie, Warren, Gabbard to be his VP – but esp. not Bernie.
Priscilla Herochik: It is a very well-written article and I agree with it. Given the fact that Trump is tied with Clinton in most of the swing states, I’m very worried that the Democrats will lose to Trump. A Trump/Pence ticket would be a nightmare if they were elected.
I cannot understand how the DNC can be so blind as to the excess baggage that Hillary Clinton carries into this election. It’s like they have blinders on and only want to see that it’s her turn to be the first Woman president. That makes no sense at all to me.
Bernie Sanders would’ve been such a better candidate. But I agree, if he’s not at the top of the ticket being second in line certainly be helpful.
Carol Hexem: The best thing for this country and every county on our planet is for the Democratic Party to die. We are being told we have to choose between Evil (Trump) and Greater Evil (Clinton). You don’t have to open your mind too wide to see she is the greater evil. I am including a video link of Jill Stein. This is not a throw away vote, we are now faced with Evil or Greater Evil, why would you vote for either. If Bernie is VP he will be powerless among a sea of Democrats and Republicans or as I like to say a sea of Evil and Evil. The best thing to come of this revolution Bernie started is the support of a totally uncorrupt party and that is the Green party.I’m waiting until after the convention to see if another miracle happens and he is the nominee, then I’m going full Green, please join me.
Roxanne Gihl: Thank you so very, very much for all you’ve been doing for Bernie Sanders, and all of us voters-You represent the best kind of citizen, the kind Ralph Nader would be so proud of! You are great!
I agree with your conclusion that Bernie could be an effective Vice President- and such a gesture might be the only possible way to hold on to many “Berners” who now feel alienated completely and will splinter off in many varied directions, including staying home and forgetting they even thought about voting. Sad!
However, “learning to be silent” is a huge mistake– we need to be out there as a continuing force for change– whether Bernie is out in front or not! It seems plain to me that he won’t be able to continue the “revolution”– but he started it and those of us who loved what he said want it to continue one way or another. Personally, I’m now going to support Jill Stein as the torchbearer for the REAL change we need.
Finally I intend to keep listening to people like Tim Black and H.A. Goodman, and Debbie Lusignan, who I think are true believers and thinkers for change, and a great source of information about election fraud issues (Trustvote.org and Election Justice USA are quite brave in this regard!) Thanks again! I will try to write a letter to the editor of my local paper and making comments on their articles, I do believe those comments are widely read and considered.
The choice of a VP is very important with the FBI investigation into the Clinton State Department and The Clinton Foundation. She may be forced to resign. Since Clinton has agreed to 80% of Bernie’s agenda. He would be on the frontline fighting for those agenda items. He’d have the tie-breaking vote only as Senate President. But, it’s doubtful that Clinton would choose Bernie. Bernie’s delegates could force his name into nomination for President and later VP. Today’s polls show Trump winning Ohio and Florida along with other key states. A Trump presidency would be disastrous.
Judy Blaisdell: In my opinion, that would be worse for him than going back to the Senate. Why should Bernie or his supporters settle for V.P. when we all know that he won the nomination were it not for voter suppression and outright voter fraud? I am not sure Bernie could stomach being on the ticket with her. Most likely, he could be more effective in the Senate than by being her lap dog. Most of Bernie’s supporters would follow him anywhere as long as it does not involve voting for Hillary. No, I want Bernie for President. I don’t think that Hillary has the integrity or the wisdom to be President. I do not think it is “her turn.” I want Bernie or nothing. End of story.
Eleanor Martinez: The GOP tactics used by the Democratic Party, a party I’ve been a member of since 1974, has disgusted and angered me so thoroughly that, after the convention, I will be permanently leaving this party. I will not associated myself with such a reprehensible organization.
Maybe the Democratic Party NEEDS to die. Or at least be seriously gutted. There are way more than enough of us to form our own party–a party that represents US, and listens to US, not Wall Street or Big Pharma or other moneyed interests, and, Bernie Sanders has the support of a majority of Independent voters, nearly half of the present Democrats and, believe it or not, about 20% of disgruntled Republicans. I cannot and will not be part of a party that does not listen to me and operates without a moral compass.
Dr. Jan Kirsch: I find this letter compelling and believe that you are beyond reproach in terms of credibility. I am glad that you document this well. Some Bernie followers will hurl expletives at you, or worse – say that you have sold out or lost moral stamina. But you already know this. Those of us who know you understand that you are striving to make the most of Sanders’ determined efforts for real change. I would easily support this alternative before allowing Trump to triumph. I have already smelled the Reichstag burning.
Susan Sarabasha: Very well written and a clear cogent argument. However, I disagree. I have seen most VP’s become silenced in that position. They are in the wings waiting for something to happen to the POTUS, not much more. Bernie would have way more power IN the Senate than as the titular head of it. He is also hinting at more. We need to wait and see. Bernie is a brilliant man who forecasts well.
Susan Larson: I think Bernie Sanders as VP would be the most healing thing for our country at this time. I am appalled at some of the comments that I have read from ‘former’ Bernie supporters and at the wise age of 71, I sit and contemplate that this may be another source of what is wrong with our country, at the moment. If I don’t get my way, I will lash out and Trump comments all over the place. I am very sad about this. I am also appalled at how quickly a person that some say they ‘revered’ can be thrown under the bus.
Now that this is off my chest, I am not sure how I will vote come November. I still hope for a miracle at the convention. Whatever, Bernie has definitely begun a movement that I pray will continue. President Obama did as well, but I think many of us were ignorant to the fact that the President has his hands tied if the Congress is not in line.
Meryl Ann Butler, Managing Editor, OpEdNews.com: These are good points, Stephen! And you asked for my two cents, so here it is:
I and many others have not given up on the hope that something unexpected may happen before or during the DNC. There is still a possibility, admittedly remote, that a bizarre event could make Bernie the nominee. This election cycle has been full of surprises, and it would not be coherent to expect the surprises to stop now. In fact, I am personally not posting any articles that venture into the area of “what if Bernie does not get the nomination.” I want him to get the nomination, so I am living my life and directing my intentions toward that reality. If that is not the reality that transpires, then I can recalibrate my course at that time.
Lyra Engel: With all that has been revealed about Candidate Clinton in the course of these rigged primaries, I am spending my time now listening to Jill Stein and gathering information about getting behind what appears to be the only truly sane and progressive candidate remaining. Bernie blew this one in my opinion.
Lisa Greil: I tend to agree that she would need Sanders as her running mate to get the votes needed to win (would seem the only logical choice), but what I fear is that the general election will be run just as the Democratic primary was (even if she really runs without him), with massive voter suppression and election fraud, and if needed the final outcome will be flipped in her favor if Trump gets ahead. She got to where she is by cheating and it would be naïve to think it won’t happen in the general as well.
Michael Cohen: I can’t bear the thought! I will be voting for Jill Stein and the Green Party. I will never vote for Clinton no matter what. Here’s a piece I’ve sent out:
Leave it to Donald Trump to have one of the best tweets on Bernie’s endorsement of Hillary:
“Bernie Sanders endorsing crooked Hillary Clinton is like Occupy Wall Street endorsing Goldman Sachs.”
Also, political gossip columnist Linda Stasi in today’s Daily News had a great piece as well. Highly recommended. I would never vote for murderer Hillary Clinton under any circumstances. I’ll be voting for Jill Stein, Green Party, for President. Lots of disgruntled Bernie supporters joined the Green Party last night following Bernie’s betrayal.
Gabe Feder; Stephen, thanks for including me in this bcc from move On – your efforts are appreciated! You may be heartened by the following email I received today from Team Bernie Media that is a message from Bernie. The crux of this is that he did what he did to maintain an ONGOING influence on the party. As to your article, I like the passion and the thought process in it, and though I personally do not think that there needs to be the VP move you state below for reasons I will continue to explain, the motivation is sound.
First, I think Bernie did something brilliant remaining a candidate and co-opting Hillary’s followers to support him as a candidate should legal issues prevent her success as a candidate to convince Super delegates at the convention to switch.
Bernie endorsed Hillary yesterday, but he did not concede. Here’s why that matters:
In a conference call with delegates last night, Bernie made it clear he still wants delegates to come with him to the Convention, for several reasons. For one, he wants them to participate in the roll call vote. Officially, that makes this a contested convention. And that’s no small point. It may just be the main point highlighting where we’re still at and why we are #StillSanders.
“We are still officially a campaign,” he said during the call. “I’m not going to suspend…” While he acknowledged that Hillary appears to be in a better position to get the nomination, he then told them: “There will be a roll call vote and we need all of you there to get all the delegates counted.” He emphasized that he wanted all 1,900 delegates on the books for Sanders.
Addressing concerns that his delegates might not be given access to the Convention, Bernie said he’ll make sure that doesn’t happen. “We’re going to have attorneys in Philadelphia. We’ll make sure every one of you gets your seat,” he affirmed. Bernie wants to move the Democratic Party to being Grassroots-Focused. We want to help him fulfill that vision. We will continue building this network with you to participate in supporting these goals as our movement progresses into the future.
Let’s do our parts in making this consciousness-raising experiment we know as “Feelin’ the Bern” continue to build momentum! Share this entire message with your teams if you’ve built one, or with family, friends and peers… and on your favorite social media sites. This movement has just begun. It is key that we stick together and grow more organized in time. In solidarity,
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Lew Grupper: If you could only convince Hillary
Darin Singleton: I appreciate your time and effort in advancing this idea. I feel that it is a non-starter and has virtually no chance of being taken seriously by anyone in the political establishment and moneyed interests, which we have found clearly dictates the political process for national office. The façade of allowing even the most timid of Progressive planks in the Democratic platform will be quickly and completely ignored, Progressives will be further marginalized, and a new generation of potential Progressive voters will be utterly alienated by the open and brazen corruption of the political process. I admire your tenacity, and wish you well.
Kenneth Puckett: Though Sanders as VP is tempting and many Berners would vote this ticket, well over a third are #BernieOrBust and would see this as a betrayal. So, doing the math would thus work? A little…. otherwise, they’d rather see a Trump presidency.
Debra Cusick: As are all your other pieces, this one nails it. Unfortunately, powers we don’t know have already crowned Hillary. If this election cycle hasn’t told you the people don’t get a voice, nothing has. The media’s decision to announce that she was the presumptive winner the night BEFORE the last primary, which included CA, spoke volumes.
Sharon Carman: Bernie had to endorse. He didn’t concede
Scott Marcus: The best position for Bernie, would be Secretary of the Treasury. With him there and Warren in the Senate, they can really clamp down on banking problems.
Judy Goldstock: It would kill me to see Bernie teamed up with a liar warmonger sociopath. So no – terrible idea.
Alison Landes: To further his ‘revolution,’ Sanders looks to launch up to three new organizations
“In the coming weeks, I will be announcing the creation of successor organizations to carry on the struggle that we have been a part of these past 15 months,” the senator from Vermont said. “Our goal will be to advance the progressive agenda that we believe in and to elect like-minded candidates at the federal, state and local levels who are committed to accomplishing our goals.”
Jeff Weaver, Sanders’ campaign manager, said Sanders is working to set up at least two, and possibly three, “sister organizations” to carry out those missions.
One will be devoted to policy formulation. A second will focus on recruiting and training candidates. And a third might engage in other political activity, possibly registering as a political action committee, Weaver said.
William Thompson: If Bernie stays in the Senate he’ll be the chair of the budget committee — a position of actual power. He and Elizabeth Warren can team up to push progressive policies. Having him cut ribbons and attend funerals of heads of state is a waste of his talents.
Marcia Tanabe: I am not sure what I would do if Bernie was on Clinton’s ticket as the VP. I am not sure how much he could get done as VP. And I do not trust Clinton. Is this something that Bernie has said that he is open to? I am currently leaning very strongly towards Jill Stein. I hope you will share with everyone what you have heard back from other Bernie supporters.
Chandra Stovall: Thank you for your email and your articulate article. For many it is confusing how Bernie would endorse Hillary ahead of the convention, after he vowed to fight all the way and then also sought donations for delegates just last week. It naturally makes me cry foul as if something is amiss, even to the point of concern if his family has been threatened…. (?). Anyway, though I have never taken Bernie for a “politicking kind of guy” your suggestion of what may be going on could make sense. I don’t know what so many of our “Berners” would do if faced with a Clinton/Sanders ticket….. and I for the first time am not sure how I would react! Altogether, thank you for the email and the article. I look forward to its publishing.
Cari Gardner, New York State Delegate Congressional District 16: Here are my thoughts:
1) Whenever this has been suggested, in the past, I thought it ridiculous. That Bernie wouldn’t want this. That he would lose all his power. I would like to know more about how much power you think he would have as President of the Senate. Wouldn’t that only be effective if the Dems are in the majority? (Which, of course, if Bernie brings out the vote, that will happen.) Clearly, Biden hasn’t been effective, that I can tell. Although he’s not nearly as progressive as Bernie.
2) Do you not think there is a chance that Bernie will win when we delegates contest the nomination? There is so much dirt still out in the ether. And, it seems, Hillary’s poll numbers, compared to Trump, are dropping. And, there has been a massive campaign to lobby the super delegates.
3) I will ask this next question, but I already feel fairly certain of the realistic answer. Do you not think there is any chance Bernie will run Green or Independent? Can he be put on the Green Ballot and the WFP ballot? (I think he already will be) Add to those write-ins, and he could probably win. The answer I am fairly certain of is that Bernie wouldn’t do this because he is a man of integrity. Although he certainly has enough cause to renege on his promise to not do that.
I think these are all the things I pondered while reading your essay. Thanks for all your efforts. In Solidarity.